FLORIDA ALLOWING POKER GAME STAKES TO BE RAISED IN JULY!

[Sense1ess]

This is such awesome news if I'll be able to play NL at Miccousukee or Hard Rock.

[dozer]

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By the way, in LA the food quality and prices, as well as, the service was out of this world. We're talkin massages at table at 3:00 AM. Shoe shines 24hrs. At the Bicycle, cash games with a $100 or more buyin received automatic comps of the entire menu (except the Sushi). We're talkin free steak dinners everynight at the table. Absolutely the best Chinese food I have ever ever had. It was totally unreal. I doubt we will ever get to that level here but hey one can always dream.

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Yeah cause two-day old pizza and soup-in-a-styrofoam-cup is EXACTLY what I want when I'm playing down here.

Steak?! FREE Steak?! Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Let's stick to being happy with the $100NL game for now. I'll do some backflips when they roll out AUTOSHUFFLERS.

[dozer]

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Ok lets do the meet up thing for July 1, 2007!!

I've already emailed all the local cardrooms in Broward including Seminole but not Pompano, their website seems to be down. I've also emailed the Palm Bech Kennel Club as well. I've asked all the poker room managers to explain how they plan to handle the betting structures and the NL games.

Once I start to get some responses, I'll post them and we can move from there. I'll also try to find out if Seminoles plans to start at midnight since July 1st is a Sunday so they might start on Saturday night at midnight which might make it extremely crazy.

I don't know how they will handle that unless they plan on opening new tables instead of converting up and running tables. Their Saturday night tournament ($65 buyin) should be getting close to the last couple of tables so they should have the room to hold vacant tables in anticipation of opening them up at midnight. I'm sure its going to be nuts. I guess they would have to maintain an early sign up board which means the cash table desk is going to be working overtime. I hope they dont get nasty again like they used to be.

The Hard Rock is kinda crazy on a Saturday night so we will have to wait to see how they plan on handling the evening.

I'll stop in when the time gets close if I cant get any info by email.

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Thank you NY. I want to be there when it starts ... figured others will too. Might as well, right? It's like CHRISTMAS for us considering the seventh-ring-of-hell poker we've been fed for years.

[Russ M.]

Too far for me to go, but I will be playing at the Jacksonville Kennel Club for anybody else that will be there.

[bocablkr]

The Governor still has to sign it, doesn't he?

[Russ M.]

Considering how strongly the bill passed in both branches, I'd have to believe that there is zero chance Crist will veto or fail to sign it, if he hasn't already.

[NY60]

Here are some of the responses I have gotten so far.

This is what I wrote to the Palm Beach Kennel Club:

"Thank you for your response Noah:
First let me say that I have reviewed the Florida Department of Revenue's Website regarding Slot Machine and Poker tax revenues and that although the PBKC does not have slots, it is by far the leading cardroom as far as revenues are concerned. This despite the fact that you are not allowed to stay open any later than any other pari mutuel facility.

I believe there is a reason for that. First your room's decor is second to none. The only one that comes close is Dania as far as money spent to create a cardroom atmosphere. But, I must admit that I have not yet been to the new Pompano cardroom yet.

More importantly, I believe it is because of the forward thinking regarding the structure of the games. I only play Hold'em so I can only speak to that.

I have to say that many of us who discuss poker issues in the online forums recognize the difficulty of turning a profit at the lower levels. With a 1/2 structure and a $20 buyin, at approximately 30 hands per hour the rake alone is eating up 5 buyins, or more, per hour depending upon how many maniacs are at the tables. That leaves only 5 buyins, or less, for 10 people to fight over. With the new jackpot rakes another $30 per hour will now be leaving the table as well.

PBKC has surpassed all other rooms in addressing this issue. First, you instituted a single blind structure which means that if an individual does not receive a playable hand for an hour it only costs them $3 as opposed to $9. At the 1/2 level, overcoming a $9 deficit on top of the rake (and now a jackpot) is difficult for even the most seasoned players.

Second, and more importantly, you have instituted a spread limit structure on the first two betting rounds which means players can better control the size of the pots and punish those who insist on playing way too loose. This is very attractive because the pots can grow larger since the maximum bet rises to $7 on the first two rounds, as opposed to $4. Bigger pots mean more of a chance of beating the rake.

Under the new legislation, the betting limits will rise from $2 to $5. We all were hoping for $10 since that would have allowed for games of 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, 4/8 and 5/10. The later being the most attractive. With the $5 max, it seems that only 1/2 and 2/4 games will be offered. Thus, we will be facing the same problems at the 2/4 level that we did at the 1/2 level as far as beating the rake and jackpot draws. Besides 2/5 doesn't seem to make much sense.

Because of this, a $1 - $5 spread limit game appears to be the most attractive choice as opposed to a straight 5/5 game. I believe the cardrooms in general would have much more success with the spread limit than the straight 5/5 game. Of course there are the draw backs of having the dealers and players learn the spread limit but I don't see that as any more than a very short term impediment. Besides, at the PBKC they are already accustomed to this style.

Please take these thoughts into consideration when deciding how best to handle the new betting limits.

I look forward to playing at your facility!"



Their reply:

Thank you for your compliments on our cardroom.

We are currently in the process of discussing betting structures and what games will be spread within the cardroom. We are close to being on the same page as you in regards to the structure of our games. We look to play the games and limits that you, as the player, want to play.

I appreciate your input and look foward to seeing you at our tables.

If you have any other suggestions or questions please feel free to contact me directly.

Thank you.

Noah Carbone
Cardroom Director <[email protected]>

[SpleenLSD]

Nice email NY60. PBKC is 5 minutes from my house and I look forward to finally beating the rake. I'll make sure to talk to Noah next time I'm in there. I've talked to 8 dealers about the changes and they were 6-2 in favor of the higher limits and NL game. Typically, the thing everyone is talking about is the bad beat jackpot. I wouldn't have cared at all, but yesterday my straight flush lost to a bigger straight flush. I'm a newly-minted jackpot donkey.

[Atomic]

Nice letter NY60.

I played for a few hours today at Derby Lane. The dealers are all excited with the possible increase in limits in the hopes of bigger tokes. If the tokes at the NL games are anything like they are at the Action Poker games then it looks like the dealers will be the big winners here.

Very few of my tablemates were aware of the poker legislation but almost all of them seemed to view the stakes increase as favorable. The consensus among the table was to have a pink chip game on the limit tables.

I think that would be great to have a 2.50/5 game. I think a 1-5 game would be even better as no one I was seated with seemed to understand the concept of the spread structure.
I am really hoping for a good period of old-time Party Poker type play after the limits change as some of the players try to learn to play within the new structures, and I'm just talking about the limit games. Can you imagine what the NL tables are going to be like?

[Etaipo]

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Can you imagine what the NL tables are going to be like?

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