EPT Monte Carlo Trip Report (3rd and Final Part)

[AK87]

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I think all of you are being so ridiculous/obnoxious I just can't help but make a similar ranting post to the one I previously made (search my name and find it, its in the mtt community forum) when this hand was first being commented on.

Lets make a few things clear.
1)There is nothing wrong with being arrogant occasionally. I'm arrogant more often than most and so what, I'm the best at what I do in the world so I can if i want (yea thats right). Adam savagely outplayed the best poker player in the world for 10 hours....on no sleep....yea....I mean look at all the elipses I'm using. That first day was so long, the fact that PA was actually the one who tilted off first is in itself something to commend Adam on.
2) Obviously it was PA who had something to prove not Adam. PA is the one who rereraised out of position late in the day against the only person at the table (and one of the few in the room) who had proven that they were not going to let him run over them. Then he shoves almost 2x pot with any draw on the flop against someone who he's "pretty sure has KK". So in my mind it was PA who finally tilted in this situation, and I don't blame him, it sucks that he got stuck to the immediate right of such an asian lag monkey. (I know how he feels, ask me about PCA).
3) Are you guys seriously implying that it is -EV to make a super bold play against PA in this thing???? If anything there is [censored] OF EV in making a play that could not only bust PA but make him look silly. He called 3 buy ins worth of chips with AJo, and was right....can you say publicity. Making a play like that is worth its weight in gold, and any of you who can't see that are thinking about this the wrong way. AK87 was 2 away from the final table, but I bet Adam got more publicity out of this thing than him. And if Adam would've won the hand and gotten into the money, I mean [censored] he would be a very, very well known name by now. I would expect that he would featured in many magazines/websites because of this hand.
4) Also, remember that there was one level left in the day. The 200/400 w/50 antes level, where the pot is over 1k chips each hand. Do you realize that if he would've busted PA this hand he probly would've won like 3/4 of the hands (if not more) for the last 90 minutes of the day. I'd say that in of itself is worth well over 20k in chips. If he folds, not only is he bending over to PA like a common bitch, throwing away like 20k in pot equity due to pot odds, eliminating all of the publicity EV, but he is also losing massive amounts of EV in the last round of the day. In that last round everybody is so tired and just wants to go to sleep that the good players can easily take over the table. I remember at my table George Danzer or I raised every hand the entire last level and probably increased our stacks by almost 15k each. I can only imagine if I was the only good player at the table, not to mention one who had just called 45k with A high and been right...I mean the equity there is huge. In fact I think it is very reasonable to assume that if Adam wins this race he would not only have been one of the chipleaders going into day 2 but without a doubt the favorite. And if he loses the race? Well he still has 10-15k left, by no means dead, I believe when I sat down at AK's table during the first level of day 2 he had only about 15k. But to be honest I am not unhappy that he lost the race because he offered me a sick deal to back him in this thing and I didn't, and I am really glad I don't have to deal with that type of regret [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Ok, so thats all I have to say. I know several of the people who have posted saying this was a bad play are very good players in their own right. I haven't heard anyone say that AK played the tournament anything but brilliantly, but I think that you guys aren't seeing the big picture.

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Okay, I am not going to comment on the hand anymore. For those of you who think it's a good call, keep thinking that, I will do what I do.

And, WOW Joe, I liked you when I met you at MC, but are you serious with this comment...? I have never talked to you before meeting you at the table, and I never mentioned any form of backing from you. Where did you come up with this idea? I have never been backed in my life, and I resent that you would post something like this in a forum that I respect, with people I respect. It's pretty insulting that you would just make up such a blantant lie. The truth of the story is, you asked me to back you in a 15k SNG, which I refused. This might be the reason for your lies, but I would like you to acknowledge that this never happened because it's upsetting me. If I somehow misread your post, please tell me, but you are very very wrong.

[mlagoo]

alex,

im pretty sure bigjoe is talking about adam asking bigjoe for backing in the ME

[Pudge714]

AK,
I think Joey is talking about backing AJunglen.

terrell,
As Ansky said you lost all credibility when you said you would fold if he flipped his hand face up.

I think Joey and LFTV made really good posts.

The call is really close and Adam probably had much more information than me. There are certain aspects of the OP which seem arrogant, but whatever, the internet isn't real life, so it is harder to adjust to context and tone.

The thing is if you put marginal one pair hands in his range your equity drops a ton. As for preflop I can say this with the ability of hindsight as it looks like Antonius' 4-betting range is pretty close to 100% that if you 3-bet here you should 5-bet shove. Obviously that is easy to say once he shows down 53o in a 4bet pot.

Some of the stuff being posted on both sides of this thread are ridiculous. It's funny that the first 10-20 posts were all people riding Adam's nuts and the next 10-20 were ZOMG ACE HIGH YOU SUCK AT POKER. There is an in between, Adam appears to be a very good poker player and he made a very close and questionable call in a really tough spot, that doesn't mean he is the next Aba and it doesn't mean he is a huge fish. Also right or wrong that call takes serious a lot of [censored] balls.

[AK87]

Ah... Now that makes more sense. Sorry Joe.

[supernick24]

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Adam,
I won't speak to it being an ego call because I don't think it was. But there is a not so subtle arrogance to all of your posts about it since. If you cant see it that scares me.
~J

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when you are as gifted as adam, an accurate self-perception seems like arrogance. a huge factor in this decision is the chance to bust the person adam feels was the best player in this tournament. taking out patrik and adding his chips gives adam a tremendous psychological advantage as well. the rest of the table was already afraid to tangle with adam. imagine if his hand holds up here. the implied gain from winning this hand go way beyond the chips in this pot.

[bigj0e03]

???im confused bro.

I haven't heard anyone say that AK played the tournament anything but brilliantly

Thats all I said that referenced you.

[bigj0e03]

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Ah... Now that makes more sense. Sorry Joe.

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Its ok, we all get high now and again [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[AK87]

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Ah... Now that makes more sense. Sorry Joe.

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Its ok, we all get high now and again [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Hahahahahahahahahaha, yeah man, my bad

[unconscious]

Sounds like Adam is sharing his experience with us, [censored]. Of course you jealous types hate it. Adam, if Antonius said that to me I'd be extremely honored and proud. Even though you lost the pot you should be able to use this confidence for mad $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in the near future, GL.

[wdrzich]

to those saying this is an embarrassing call- i just can't express how much all of you must have a lack of experience in live play. if the pla y is disected by his range even only 50%, his physcical presence and the flow of the tournament (which he explained well) counts for at least half too.