Killing off the little guy (this time it's internet radio)

[BCPVP]

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I can have the idea to have the exact same notes in the exact same order with the exact same lyrics for Purple Haze as Jimi had. Therefore, the song Purple Haze cannot be scarce.


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In theory maybe. In theory 1000 monkeys & typewrighters could make TOP. But in reality this will never ever happen not even once. No matter what Vanilla Ice says about his song being different.

Alexander Graham Bell & Elisha Gray both had similar unique ideas but not the same idea. (lets not get into patents we agree on this point)

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There is no maybe. The "uniqueness" of an idea is not related to its economic scarcity. You are still confusing these two.

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The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.

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To the extent that the market value of creative innovation is unprotected, and thus effectively redistributed through collectivization, the incentives for such activity disappear.

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So what? My incentive to mow lawns disappears when I don't have a government imposing a rule that any time I mow a lawn everyone must pay me $200,000.

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No, your incentive to invent and market the first lawnmower disappears when anyone else can just copy the idea and set up shop as your competition.

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And last time I checked, there are plenty of lawnmowers being produced.

[BCPVP]

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The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.

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To the extent that the market value of creative innovation is unprotected, and thus effectively redistributed through collectivization, the incentives for such activity disappear.

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So what? My incentive to mow lawns disappears when I don't have a government imposing a rule that any time I mow a lawn everyone must pay me $200,000.

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No, your incentive to invent and market the first lawnmower disappears when anyone else can just copy the idea and set up shop as your competition.

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I'll ask you again. How is that millions of things were invented before patent laws?

[Nielsio]

I'm pretty sure our technology is retarded compared to what some aliens have.

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The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.

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To the extent that the market value of creative innovation is unprotected, and thus effectively redistributed through collectivization, the incentives for such activity disappear.

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So what? My incentive to mow lawns disappears when I don't have a government imposing a rule that any time I mow a lawn everyone must pay me $200,000.

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No, your incentive to invent and market the first lawnmower disappears when anyone else can just copy the idea and set up shop as your competition.

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And last time I checked, there are plenty of lawnmowers being produced.

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That's because the original inventor had an incentive to invent it based on patent laws.

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I'm pretty sure our technology is retarded compared to what some aliens have.

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We better not invent anything cool, or they'll sue us for violating the inherent contract. After all, why would they bother developing warp drive if we could just go and invent it ourselves???

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That's because the original inventor had an incentive to invent it based on patent laws.

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Huh?

[AzDesertRat]

The issue here is "fair use"--If I go out and buy (legally) 8 cd's by the Beatles, why is the RIAA and other organizations trying to stop from compiling my own "best of" collection on another CD.

The same goes with DVD's--if I go out and buy a DVD and want to make a backup of it or put it on my computer so I can watch it on the road, why am I not allowed to do it? I have already paid their fees, and I just want to be able to change the medium or format so I can adapt it for another use. I am not going to pay the MPAA another $20 for me to have an AVI file on my computer where they have some control over it.

The MPAA and RIAA want to make their cake and eat it too. They are slow to adapt and when they do, they employ draconian methods to get everyone to comply. They can all [expletive] off as far as I am concerned until they start listening to their customers instead of their coffers, because they will lose business and credibility as time goes on. They believe that all of their customers are potential crooks, and that cannot be healthy for them long term.

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The issue here is "fair use"--If I go out and buy (legally) 8 cd's by the Beatles, why is the RIAA and other organizations trying to stop from compiling my own "best of" collection on another CD.

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There's two different issues here.

1) Terms of sale. If you buy a CD and agree to the terms that you will not copy the CD (regardless of whatever reasons those might be) then you have no reason to complain.

2) Legislation. If some third party steps in and imposes terms regardless of whatever agreement you had with the seller, now you've got something to complain about.

[Skidoo]

Yeah, that's another characteristic of ACland: low-tech.