**Official uNL Microbrew thread: Feb (LC thread)** - Page 122

Triggerle · #**1211** 02-25-2007, 08:40 PM

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This is the fourth preflop all-in I get today with KK and all 4 were vs Aces. Please tell me this is super standard.

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Statistically they are supposed to happen once every 10k hands. Of course, statistics also is the reason that it would take several hundred thousands of hands for an event that happens so seldom to converge towards this number.

With our small sample sizes some of us are just bound to run into these an absurd amount of the time.

BTW, I'm 15 or so for 40k hands so I'm in your boat and I still would not hesitate to push them the next time.

tehDiceman · #**1212** 02-25-2007, 08:42 PM

this blows so hard. i couldnt stay away and went back to try and win back the 1.85 i was still down from the earlier session. this happy hand happened which brought me REALLY close.

smelled like AA real hard but i closed my eyes and clicked call. once the flop came three hearts, i pushed it in with the second nut draw. i didnt need the flush, i owned him anyway.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($5.20)
MP ($5.61)
Button ($3.25)
Hero ($4.15)
BB ($2.97)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.02, MP raises to $0.04, Button calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.24, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP raises to $1.38, Button folds, Hero calls $1.14.

Flop: ($2.84) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.77 (All-In), MP calls $2.77.

Turn: ($8.38) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($8.38) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $8.38

Results below:
Hero has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
MP has 5s 5d (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $8.38.

very next hand. how does second villian call this? guess the isolation push doesnt work very well. of course i couldnt hit one of my eleventybillion outs. outcome below is wrong, i won nothing.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($5.18)
UTG ($1.46)
MP ($3.21)
Hero ($7.98)
SB ($2.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $1.46, MP calls $1.46, Hero raises to $7.98, 2 folds, MP calls $1.75 (All-In).

Flop: ($12.68) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($12.68) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($12.68) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $12.68

Results below:
UTG has 3h Qc (high card, queen).
MP has Ad 2d (one pair, twos).
Hero has Ac Kh (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $8.27. MP wins $4.41.

so now im farther in the hole than earlier and it is almost time for me to leave work so i cant play anymore today. how freaking craptastic.

Archon_Wing · #**1213** 02-25-2007, 11:36 PM

You can never be too pot committed!

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $16.35
CO: $4.70
Button: $4.45
SB: $7.65
BB: $10.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $0.4, CO raises to $0.7, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.9, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($5.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.4, CO (with 1.55 left) folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.4 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $5.95

Sean Fraley · #**1214** 02-26-2007, 12:01 AM

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You can never be too pot committed!

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $16.35
CO: $4.70
Button: $4.45
SB: $7.65
BB: $10.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $0.4, CO raises to $0.7, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.9, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($5.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.4, CO (with 1.55 left) folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.4 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $5.95

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Actually, this is a concept that has been rather confusing to me. If I'm in a cash game and can simply reload my stack after a hand, why should I feel that I have obligated myself to give what is left of my stack to my opponent once I realize that I'm not going to win this hand?

Entropy4 · #**1215** 02-26-2007, 12:04 AM

lollies @ minraise-aments

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($22.15)
Hero ($15.05)
UTG ($3.90)
Button ($8.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, Button raises to $0.2, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.55) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.55) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $0.3, Button calls $0.30.

River: ($1.15) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $0.6, Button raises to $1.2, UTG raises to $1.8, Button raises to $2.4, UTG calls $0.60.

Final Pot: $5.95

Results in white below: 
UTG has 8c 9c (two pair, nines and eights).
Button has 4d 4s (four of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Button wins $5.95. 

And gg slowplay?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($29.45)
Hero ($14.25)
SB ($10.65)
BB ($5.70)
UTG ($10.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.85) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($0.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $5.3 (All-In), Hero calls $5.30.

Final Pot: $11.45

Results in white below: 
BB has 9c 3h (full house, threes full of aces).
Hero has Ad Jh (full house, aces full of threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $11.45.

Entropy4 · #**1216** 02-26-2007, 12:06 AM

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Actually, this is a concept that has been rather confusing to me. If I'm in a cash game and can simply reload my stack after a hand, why should I feel that I have obligated myself to give what is left of my stack to my opponent once I realize that I'm not going to win this hand?

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I'm in the same boat. I used to call all the value bets with 2nd best hand just because I got great "pot odds." But if you know you're beat, you're beat. Shouldn't you fold even if you're getting like 5:1 on calling?

ssdex · #**1217** 02-26-2007, 12:14 AM

graph of the last 1200 hands of my 9 table session @ nl$25 along with 3 screenshots of the biggest 3 tables

Wotsmycode · #**1218** 02-26-2007, 12:26 AM

I hate breakin even play at uNL!

tehDiceman · #**1219** 02-26-2007, 12:31 AM

2 things tilt me hard, losing to a junk hand that calls your preflop raise(A2o, 37o, etc.) and losing a buyin or two right at the beginning of your session and then sit card dead for the next hour to finish down hard for the day.

pokerstars can eat my balls.

would you play this the same? upon review, i think my card dead tilt forced me to play this hand the way i did. i figured him for TPTK or top two, the second flush card hits the turn and he bets hard to protect his hand. i think i should have folded the flop raise. even if i hit, i dont think he would have paid me off which makes it even more -EV than before me thinks. i also dont think cry calling the river in hopes that he was just bluffing is a good idea either, even though im getting an awesome price to see his cards. what do you guys think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($1.03)
UTG ($4.96)
MP ($1.58)
CO ($0.90)
Hero ($4.93)
SB ($1.39)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.11, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $0.5, MP calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40.

Turn: ($2.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets $1.5, MP folds, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($5.10) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $0.98, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $6.08

Results below:
UTG doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins $6.08.

Archon_Wing · #**1220** 02-26-2007, 12:41 AM

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You can never be too pot committed!

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $16.35
CO: $4.70
Button: $4.45
SB: $7.65
BB: $10.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $0.4, CO raises to $0.7, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.9, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($5.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.4, CO (with 1.55 left) folds.
Uncalled bets: $2.4 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $5.95

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Actually, this is a concept that has been rather confusing to me. If I'm in a cash game and can simply reload my stack after a hand, why should I feel that I have obligated myself to give what is left of my stack to my opponent once I realize that I'm not going to win this hand?

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Calling off more than your stack preflop and folding is not a way to win. Actualy I think I was just disappointed for him not to call, but winning this without a showdown is fine. It's just pure pot odds. Almost 5:1 pot odds-- whatever the heck he's calling me with it's hard to imagine he's drawing dead. It'd be ok to call even if you had 5 outs.