STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 120

ChrisV · #**1191** 09-30-2007, 11:51 PM

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Villain is 18/9, 4/9/4, steals 22% over 400 datamined hands.
Hero has no image.

Seat 1: stalker7 ( $90.40 )
Seat 3: Ryesberg ( $150.30 )
Seat 5: Firetribe ( $100.50 )
Seat 6: pokerman1204 ( $100 )
Seat 8: beat390 ( $18.50 )
Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50
pokerman1204 posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9.spade: [Firetribe]
beat390 folds
stalker7 raises $4
Ryesberg folds
Firetribe raises $13.50

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When I 3bet PF I honestly thought my cards were sooted.

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Don't attack nits OOP with suited connectors are you nuts

ChrisV · #**1192** 09-30-2007, 11:55 PM

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BB leads out a lot of limped in pots, co is 73/2/2.67

Short stacked I'm check raising all in here, what the best line deeper stacked.

Obviously co has something to raise and call my re-raise.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($27.45)
UTG ($31.50)
MP1 ($21.65)
MP2 ($5.15)
CO ($28.80)
Button ($25.65)
Hero ($23.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.5, MP1 calls $0.50, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $8, BB folds, MP1 folds, CO calls $6.

Turn: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero???

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Flat call the raise on the flop. You have a drawing hand and don't mind other players calling. The last thing you want is to isolate OOP vs some loose guy who isn't folding his ace or whatever.

ChrisV · #**1193** 09-30-2007, 11:57 PM

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How should you handle this situation on all streets?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($22.85)
UTG+1 ($19.40)
MP1 ($17.30)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($29.10)
Hero ($23.55)
SB ($24.40)
BB ($4.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1, CO raises to $3.5, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($8.35) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets $7, Hero raises to $20.05, CO calls $13.05.

Turn: ($48.45) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($48.45) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $48.45

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Fold pf, typically you should fold queens and AK in this spot as well (villain dependent obviously).

ChrisV · #**1194** 10-01-2007, 12:09 AM

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No one raised pf, so I suspect my hand is good. But since it is a huge raise to win a small pot is it an easy fold. Pointless shoves are often monsters. How should I proceed?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($24.65)
MP2 ($3.25)
MP3 ($44.85)
CO ($24.35)
Button ($25.75)
SB ($23.15)
Hero ($24.60)
UTG ($13.75)
UTG+1 ($49.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, UTG+1 calls $0.75, SB raises to $22.9, Hero?

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This is probably the nut flush draw or a combo draw, but you're like even money against those hands and will get completely crushed the like 1 in 10 times it's a set... so fold.

ChrisV · #**1195** 10-01-2007, 12:12 AM

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Just sat down at table so no read.

Alright or can you find a fold somewhere?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($209.90)
MP ($116.50)
CO ($98.50)
Button ($100)
Hero ($102.60)
BB ($93.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $4, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $10.5, BB raises to $21, MP folds, Hero calls $10.50.

Turn: ($57) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $67.55 (All-In), Hero calls $67.55.

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Readless, fold the flop. A minraise in that situation generally says you're beaten. He's raising ahead of another player so he must have a hand, and with a draw he'd raise more. Occasionally you will be folding to a worse overpair or A9, but making that mistake in a small pot is far preferable to dumping your stack to a set. Calling the flop just postpones the problem until the turn as there aren't any cards you're hoping to see.

ChrisV · #**1196** 10-01-2007, 12:14 AM

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STTF,

Can you please suggest some sites for low level (like 100-200NL) 6 max with good RB and some fish?

I am in Canada but have no RB on Party which sucks and know there are easier sites around for us internationals than Stars for cash games.

Please give me some suggestions or PM me if you don't want to post here.

Thanks.

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I like iPoker. I play on NoIQ, which you can get pretty good rakeback deals on (30%, maybe higher depending on volume).

wiggs73 · #**1197** 10-01-2007, 12:29 AM

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Villain is 18/9, 4/9/4, steals 22% over 400 datamined hands.
Hero has no image.

Seat 1: stalker7 ( $90.40 )
Seat 3: Ryesberg ( $150.30 )
Seat 5: Firetribe ( $100.50 )
Seat 6: pokerman1204 ( $100 )
Seat 8: beat390 ( $18.50 )
Firetribe posts Small Blind $0.50
pokerman1204 posts Big Blind $1

Dealing cards
Your cards 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9.spade: [Firetribe]
beat390 folds
stalker7 raises $4
Ryesberg folds
Firetribe raises $13.50

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When I 3bet PF I honestly thought my cards were sooted.

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Don't attack nits OOP with suited connectors are you nuts

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oh yeah i think i probably said somewhere i liked it better if they were suited. i said that thinking you were on the button. i mean i guess i DO like it more with suited connectors than with unsuited ones but raising from the blinds w/ SCs against a XX/9 who opened from EP is pretty bad.

dipstikdave · #**1198** 10-01-2007, 12:50 AM

villain is 50/20/3 over 50 hands. am i too eager to snap off bluffs?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($14.75)
MP3 ($39.30)
CO ($5.45)
Button ($27.20)
Hero ($28.45)
BB ($25.75)
UTG ($15.65)
UTG+1 ($11.05)
MP1 ($8.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $0.5, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25.

Flop: ($3.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets $1.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $6, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $4.75.

Turn: ($15.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $22, Hero calls $21.95

blackize · #**1199** 10-01-2007, 01:00 AM

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oh yeah i think i probably said somewhere i liked it better if they were suited. i said that thinking you were on the button. i mean i guess i DO like it more with suited connectors than with unsuited ones but raising from the blinds w/ SCs against a XX/9 who opened from EP is pretty bad.

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I actually think it's worse with suited connectors. Suited connectors will play better against an 16/8's opening range so I'd rather call and play a flop with those and 3bet with the offsuit connectors. That said, I would basically never 3bet a 16/8 for anything but value.

ChrisV · #**1200** 10-01-2007, 01:06 AM

I'd probably just fold pf since your position sucks and QJo is a fairly trashy hand... call is OK though if you don't overplay your hand postflop.

Flop the checkraise is way out of line... it gets you too deep in a situation where your hand is pretty bad. Good flush draws will call or shove on you, while most made hands you beat will fold and every made hand you don't beat will call or reraise. I used to do this sort of thing when I started and I think it's born of the SNG attitude of just wanting to take the pot down. Your focus here should be on getting to showdown cheaply and protecting your stack. The idea of not giving free cards is extremely secondary to these concerns. Call is easily best and frankly I prefer fold to raise as well.

Turn is total suicide as you don't beat a single hand. He can't be bluffing when he's flat called a checkraise on the flop. What can you put him on that you beat?

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