how can this NOT be collusion?

[stigmata]

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we are dealing with guys who can barely follow the action, much less detect collusion.

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The UB "Collusion Dept." are clearly clueless, but what about the UB professionalls? Couldn't one of you guys who play this high mention it to someone who actually understands the game AND also has a direct line to the UB management?

Hopefully then someone decent could actually look at the HH with the hole cards. The management may take it more seriously if one of their professional players is concerned about the matter.

[Keepitsimple]

get phil!

[tongni]

Wow, I looked through all the hand histories, and quite a few of them look pretty bad. If I was piejay, I would be pissed.

[tongni]

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Hand at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em)
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Started at 01/Apr/06 22:36:14

NYPlayer is at seat 0 with $19987.50.
dumbanimal is at seat 3 with $18406.
piejay is at seat 4 with $16370.50.
hogbird is at seat 5 with $61203.
The button is at seat 0.

dumbanimal posts the small blind of $150.
piejay posts the big blind of $300.

NYPlayer: Th 9d
dumbanimal: -- --
piejay: -- --
hogbird: -- --

Pre-flop:

hogbird raises to $600. NYPlayer folds. dumbanimal
re-raises to $900. piejay calls. hogbird calls.

Flop (board: 8h 4c 6d):

dumbanimal bets $300. piejay raises to $600.
hogbird re-raises to $900. dumbanimal re-raises to
$1200. piejay calls. hogbird calls.

Turn (board: 8h 4c 6d Td):

dumbanimal bets $600. piejay calls. hogbird raises
to $1200. dumbanimal re-raises to $1800. piejay
folds. hogbird calls.

River (board: 8h 4c 6d Td 5c):

dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird folds. dumbanimal is
returned $600 (uncalled).


This hand right here. HOW?

[TheWorstPlayer]

A9dd

[tongni]

But he called with ace high in the other hand.

[ALL1N]

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A9dd

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NYP holds the 9d

[ALL1N]

Hand at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em)
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Started at 01/Apr/06 22:59:39

NYPlayer is at seat 0 with $27921.50.
SESESE is at seat 1 with $30000.
dumbanimal is at seat 3 with $16730.
piejay is at seat 4 with $4495.50.
hogbird is at seat 5 with $81709.
The button is at seat 3.

piejay posts the small blind of $150.
hogbird posts the big blind of $300.

NYPlayer: Tc 3c
dumbanimal: -- --
piejay: -- --
hogbird: -- --

Pre-flop:

NYPlayer folds. dumbanimal raises to $600. piejay
calls. hogbird calls.

Flop (board: 7c Ah 3d):

piejay checks. hogbird checks. dumbanimal bets
$300. piejay raises to $600. hogbird calls.
dumbanimal calls.

Turn (board: 7c Ah 3d Kc):

piejay bets $600. hogbird raises to $1200.
dumbanimal re-raises to $1800. piejay folds.
hogbird calls.

River (board: 7c Ah 3d Kc 2c):

hogbird checks. dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird
raises to $1200. dumbanimal folds. hogbird is
returned $600 (uncalled).



Hand Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $9000.
hogbird wins $8998.

This one too. Wow.

[buddhablessed1]

how long has this hogbird been around? aren't neverwin and savagegamble friends? where has neverwin been recently, any sightings the past week?

all the hh's show these two in the hand together. how often does one of them fold preflop when the other is in the hand?

stox, this could be why you're finding this game so hard to beat.

[NLSoldier]

wow. have any of you who said you cant call collusion based on one hand started to change your mind now that there are 4 which are very supsicious to say the least?

also, I think another piece of evidence that could be added to the mix is their cashout history. If they have both begun to cashout lots since discovering this thread and are usually the type who very rarely cashout, it would be a good sign that they are scared of their accts being locked. However, if they are colluding then they probably already forsaw the possibilty of getting caught and have been cashing out slowly and consistently.