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#111
10-22-2007, 05:06 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If a person is starving and I have food, that person does not have a right to my food. Similarly if he is just really hungry. This is very far from a semantical argument. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah except we are talking about babies and leaving a newborn infant chilling in the corner is "murder". [/ QUOTE ] Just because you are positive they will die does not mean its murder. I guess putting them outside where they will freeze to death is murder. But simply refusing to give someone the things they need to live is not murder. Even if they have no other way to get it. [/ QUOTE ] negligent homicide FTW! Barron 
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#112
10-22-2007, 05:30 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Male circumcision is an ancient practice and generally accepted one that offers some salutary health benefits. Female circumcision is outright genital mutilation that serves no purpose whatsoever aside from inflicting pain and humiliation on its victims (it's a fairly common practice with young girls in certain parts of Africa) [/ QUOTE ] lol, I'm glad your Catholic teachers taught you well. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Do you not see his views on these two things as obviously biased? I mean clearly, female circumcision to some is an ancient practice and generally one that offers some salutary health benefits. And to some, like me, male circumcision is outright genital mutilation that serves no purpose whatsoever. [/ QUOTE ] OK, but this a matter of the degree of the mutilation taking place, with the female mutilation by any rational investigation, much, much worse. And, what 'salutary health benefits' are there in the female mutilation, not 'claimed' benefits, real clinically proven benefits? Further, how is his argument in any way related to the Catholic Church? [/ QUOTE ] What's the difference between claimed and real benefits? Obviously the elders or whatever in Africa says it will prevent the girls from having sex for fun or such. It's clearly still a violation of their rights. The Catholic remark had to do with his title and avatar. Vaccinations don't mutilate you. I don't consider circumcision at birth a health treatment. Obviously, a parent can choose that option if there is a health reason for it. Sort of like, obviously a woman can abort if there is a health reason for it. [/ QUOTE ] ST, you are pretty out there imo on this point. male cicumcision has been practiced by (jewish) people for millenia and has no downside. i.e. the circumcision (assuming it is actually performed correctly w/ sterile instruments) has no negative impact on the boy's life. female circumsicion is a malicious practice that takes away a female's ability to orgasm or derive any pleasure from sex. are you saying that it should be illegal for jewish parents to cicumcise their children? or are you saying that non-jews shouldn't be allowed to make any choice about the baby's body despite known (i.e. clinically tested) health benefits? Barron
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#113
10-22-2007, 06:37 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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ST, you are pretty out there imo on this point. male cicumcision has been practiced by (jewish) people for millenia and has no downside. i.e. the circumcision (assuming it is actually performed correctly w/ sterile instruments) has no negative impact on the boy's life. [/ QUOTE ] wrong! It has many negative effects both primary and secondary! [ QUOTE ] female circumsicion is a malicious practice that takes away a female's ability to orgasm or derive any pleasure from sex. [/ QUOTE ] wrong! there are different kinds of female mutilation, some do prevent orgasms some don't. [ QUOTE ] are you saying that it should be illegal for jewish parents to cicumcise their children? [/ QUOTE ] Why should anyone be allowed barbaric practices? [ QUOTE ] or are you saying that non-jews shouldn't be allowed to make any choice about the baby's body despite known (i.e. clinically tested) health benefits? [/ QUOTE ] wrong, there are many negative documented effects of male circumcision and very few positive and nobody should be allowed to do that to their children. As adults, anyone of sound mind should be able to request circumcision for themselves, if they so wishes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#114
10-22-2007, 06:52 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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male cicumcision has been practiced by (jewish) people for millenia and has no downside. i.e. the circumcision (assuming it is actually performed correctly w/ sterile instruments) has no negative impact on the boy's life. [/ QUOTE ] This is wrong and stupid and you know it. Sex is one of our top needs, and circumcision adversely affects the sex life of both the male and his partners. There is always some risk when you're cutting, done correctly or not. And finally, is enough really known about the human brain and its development to be certain that there are no long-term adverse psychological affects from such a heavy trauma?
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#115
10-22-2007, 09:15 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
Junt monkey, if anything, it dulls you and makes you less ambitious, less willing to stand up to power.
It would be interesting to know if its practiced in the Bush family or if it is reserved for the lower classes.
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#116
10-22-2007, 09:16 AM
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Junt monkey, if anything, it dulls you and makes you less ambitious, less willing to stand up to power. [/ QUOTE ] I would LOVE to hear how you came to that conclusion.
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#119
10-22-2007, 11:05 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] non-westeners don't think that they own their bodies? [/ QUOTE ] Not really, and I doubt most people would put it in those terms. This shouldn't be a surprise, but I guess when interest in humanity is replaced by interest in theory... [/ QUOTE ] Ask any schmoe on the street in the world or any nomadic tribesman for that matter, "who owns your body?" and they will look at you like you are crazy and say "I do." It is only spoiled wealthy western college kids or their Marxist professors who could seriously consider statements of the form "people do not own themselves."
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#120
10-22-2007, 11:08 AM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] non-westeners don't think that they own their bodies? [/ QUOTE ] Not really, and I doubt most people would put it in those terms. This shouldn't be a surprise, but I guess when interest in humanity is replaced by interest in theory... [/ QUOTE ] Ask any schmoe on the street in the world or any nomadic tribesman for that matter, "who owns your body?" and they will look at you like you are crazy and say "I do." It is only spoiled wealthy western college kids or their Marxist professors who could seriously consider statements of the form "people do not own themselves." [/ QUOTE ] In fact it's so obviously true that the majority of people you ask probably won't understand the question.
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