"Official" High Stakes Poker Season 3 (Week of 1/22)

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Lol at all the guys drooling at silicon rack.

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Those racks are a dime a dozen. She had a very beautiful face to go with a nice body.

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Yeah, look at the whole package there. It's clear she's smokin. In the second screen cap you can see that Sheik sure wants a piece.

[Rottersod]

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Umm, why did Game Show Network just cut to an infomercial halfway through the broadcast?

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This has been the case the last two weeks for me as well and it's starting to piss me off. I'm contacting them about this right now, you should do the same.

http://www.gsn.com/help/contact.php

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You can thank Dominic for this:
Dominic's Infomercial

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what are you talking about? I'm not making an infomercial you doofus.

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"And for the next 13 weeks (the entire run of HSP 3) Vegas Night will be bringing you all the best that Vegas has to offer - in 30 and 60 second segments!"

Sounds like an infomercial to me but hell, I Tivo it and skip it anyways.

[Rottersod]

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#2. Exactly how tricky was Laak getting when he killed the game last year? ABC poker WILL beat this game, and handily

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While I mostly agree with you, it is worth noting that Laak also had an extremely good run of cards. He probably flopped more sets than anyone on the show (even though he only played about half the season), was the lucky benefactor of the Matusow meltdown (where he didn't have to do a thing), gave a lot of free cards to drawing opponents that didn't end up hurting him, and then inadvertantly confused/trapped several of them because his play was so scared.

Not saying ABC poker can't be profitable at that table, but it helps a lot when the deck is continually tickling your scrotum.

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Thank you. That's exactly what I pointed out in my post about ABC playing can win big if they suck out or the cards run their way. I think some other people who replied simply ignored that part of my post. Laak made no moves the whole season (3 days of actual time). He was the recipient of great cards. That's fine but it WAS ABC poker.

[Rottersod]

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[ Not all would but that's why some pros are really good at what they do and that's why players like Chen are ABC players.

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Holy crap how misinformed can someone be? Have you ever played with Bill Chen? Have you ever read any fo his theories or writings? Did you even know who he was before HSP?

Chen is so for and away not an ABC player the absurdity of your comment negates any positive value you may have brought to civilization in the past 5 years.

While Bill may not be the best player at the table, he is certainly not outclassed. And I'll freely wager that wherever Bill sits, he's the smartest player at the table, even if said table is held in a high-level NASA backroom.

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Gimme a break. Smartest player at the table. Whoop de frikkin do. I'd stake Doyle against him any day, any week, any month, any year. Just because he won some tourneys doesn't translate into any high stakes cash game. Based on what I've seen of his play so far he isn't in the same class at this level. Sorry but that's the facts. Until he shows something that could be classified as a real read on someone I won't be budged from my view.

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rotter 2 things you say make absolutly no sense- even though one was adressed already you still defend this statement:

A player like Daniel or Todd or someothers may have raised him there just to test that and then Gabe wouldhave folded. This is why I don't like watching tournament donks play inHSP.


Yea lets see gabe had already put 34k in the pot so basically if you raise him its a raise all in. I really doubt any of these pros are gonna put there hole stack in here with 88 hoping gabe is bluffing (or isnt pot commited with a monster draw)


He decidedthat Chen was a guy he could bluff and that's why he called preflopwith that hand. I was laughing at DN's commentary when Gabe calledpreflop because I knew with 100% certainty what his plan was and DN wasstill shocked that he would be calling.

Well no [censored]. Except Negranu is analyzing the hand live (or as though he saw it live) They wouldnt put the hand on TV for no reason so when he calls 5k with K5 suited obviously he isnt planning on hitting the flop.

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Gabe started with 111k and I don't believe that if he was re-raised all in he would have been pot committed with a weak A. This isn't a tourney. It's real money. This is also the difference between ABC poker - which is what Gabe was playing - and the better pros who would have been able to spot that kind of a move and put him to a big test.

As far as the K5 hand. I agree that the reason I knew right away what Gabes play would be is because they showed it on TV. There had to be a reason they were showing it so I agree that my deduction of it was results oriented to a degree. But when you say he isn't planning on hitting the flop with K5s that's my point. I know that he knew that there were going to be a lot of flops that he could represent a hand with by calling that 5k preflop raise from a player such as Chen.

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I'm going to go ahead and guess you've NEVER made a play like this in your poker life. And if you have, you're not a winning player.

Sure. Dedicate 170 BB's to the pot in HOPES the guy with hte tight image doesn't at least have top pair. Easy to say when you can see the cards.

You appear to be the quintessential, " I know the EXACT right play at all times" guy. When you can see the cards, at least.

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Thank you for proving my point. I am not a high stakes player so you are right, I would not make that move unless I had a dead on tell and this was the point. I believe that some of the better cash game players would have spotted Gabe's move and decided to make him sweat because they would have known that a guy that plays the way Gabe does (ABC+) would not have made that large call on the later street with just an A low kicker. His calls were screaming something that a good pro should have picked up on. A standard player like Chen would fold the 88 on a board like that. A really good cash game player would re-raise and see where he really stood or try to represent a bigger hand. It's a hard point to define and you may be right that the pros don't want to look bad on TV if they do get called and have the worst hand.

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rotter 2 things you say make absolutly no sense- even though one was adressed already you still defend this statement:

A player like Daniel or Todd or someothers may have raised him there just to test that and then Gabe wouldhave folded. This is why I don't like watching tournament donks play inHSP.


Yea lets see gabe had already put 34k in the pot so basically if you raise him its a raise all in. I really doubt any of these pros are gonna put there hole stack in here with 88 hoping gabe is bluffing (or isnt pot commited with a monster draw)


He decidedthat Chen was a guy he could bluff and that's why he called preflopwith that hand. I was laughing at DN's commentary when Gabe calledpreflop because I knew with 100% certainty what his plan was and DN wasstill shocked that he would be calling.

Well no [censored]. Except Negranu is analyzing the hand live (or as though he saw it live) They wouldnt put the hand on TV for no reason so when he calls 5k with K5 suited obviously he isnt planning on hitting the flop.

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Gabe started with 111k and I don't believe that if he was re-raised all in he would have been pot committed with a weak A. This isn't a tourney. It's real money. This is also the difference between ABC poker - which is what Gabe was playing - and the better pros who would have been able to spot that kind of a move and put him to a big test.

As far as the K5 hand. I agree that the reason I knew right away what Gabes play would be is because they showed it on TV. There had to be a reason they were showing it so I agree that my deduction of it was results oriented to a degree. But when you say he isn't planning on hitting the flop with K5s that's my point. I know that he knew that there were going to be a lot of flops that he could represent a hand with by calling that 5k preflop raise from a player such as Chen.

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I'm going to go ahead and guess you've NEVER made a play like this in your poker life. And if you have, you're not a winning player.

Sure. Dedicate 170 BB's to the pot in HOPES the guy with hte tight image doesn't at least have top pair. Easy to say when you can see the cards.

You appear to be the quintessential, " I know the EXACT right play at all times" guy. When you can see the cards, at least.

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About time somebody said this.

Gabe was OOP, limp/called w crap preflop, check/called the flop w air, bet right out on the turn w air. Last I checked, that's a great way to donk off a whole bunch of chips, not some "masterful" move. With any sort of luck Chen would have won a big pot right there and all the know-it-alls would be laughing at Gabe.

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My gawd! You're just proving my whole point. I couldn't have said it better. Gabe's move was NOT masterful. That was the point I was making. A better cash game specialist then Chen should have spotted it and pounced. What would Gabe have been calling those raises with? Either a bluff or a monster. He was trying to represent an A low kicker and Chen bought it but if he had really thought about it he should have known that Gabe would not have bet all that money on such a hand.

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rotter 2 things you say make absolutly no sense- even though one was adressed already you still defend this statement:

A player like Daniel or Todd or someothers may have raised him there just to test that and then Gabe wouldhave folded. This is why I don't like watching tournament donks play inHSP.


Yea lets see gabe had already put 34k in the pot so basically if you raise him its a raise all in. I really doubt any of these pros are gonna put there hole stack in here with 88 hoping gabe is bluffing (or isnt pot commited with a monster draw)


He decidedthat Chen was a guy he could bluff and that's why he called preflopwith that hand. I was laughing at DN's commentary when Gabe calledpreflop because I knew with 100% certainty what his plan was and DN wasstill shocked that he would be calling.

Well no [censored]. Except Negranu is analyzing the hand live (or as though he saw it live) They wouldnt put the hand on TV for no reason so when he calls 5k with K5 suited obviously he isnt planning on hitting the flop.

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Gabe started with 111k and I don't believe that if he was re-raised all in he would have been pot committed with a weak A. This isn't a tourney. It's real money. This is also the difference between ABC poker - which is what Gabe was playing - and the better pros who would have been able to spot that kind of a move and put him to a big test.

As far as the K5 hand. I agree that the reason I knew right away what Gabes play would be is because they showed it on TV. There had to be a reason they were showing it so I agree that my deduction of it was results oriented to a degree. But when you say he isn't planning on hitting the flop with K5s that's my point. I know that he knew that there were going to be a lot of flops that he could represent a hand with by calling that 5k preflop raise from a player such as Chen.

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I'm going to go ahead and guess you've NEVER made a play like this in your poker life. And if you have, you're not a winning player.

Sure. Dedicate 170 BB's to the pot in HOPES the guy with hte tight image doesn't at least have top pair. Easy to say when you can see the cards.

You appear to be the quintessential, " I know the EXACT right play at all times" guy. When you can see the cards, at least.

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Thank you for proving my point. I am not a high stakes player so you are right, I would not make that move unless I had a dead on tell and this was the point. I believe that some of the better cash game players would have spotted Gabe's move and decided to make him sweat because they would have known that a guy that plays the way Gabe does (ABC+) would not have made that large call on the later street with just an A low kicker. His calls were screaming something that a good pro should have picked up on. A standard player like Chen would fold the 88 on a board like that. A really good cash game player would re-raise and see where he really stood or try to represent a bigger hand. It's a hard point to define and you may be right that the pros don't want to look bad on TV if they do get called and have the worst hand.
My gawd! You're just proving my whole point. I couldn't have said it better. Gabe's move was NOT masterful. That was the point I was making. A better cash game specialist then Chen should have spotted it and pounced. What would Gabe have been calling those raises with? Either a bluff or a monster. He was trying to represent an A low kicker and Chen bought it but if he had really thought about it he should have known that Gabe would not have bet all that money on such a hand.


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You just don't get it. You seem to think these HS guys are otherwordly, and ALWAYS know what's going on, yet it has been shown CONTINUALLY these guys are all just looking to hit hands and get paid off. Big $$$ is almost never going into the pot weak versus aggression.

And lol at gabe being ABC. Yeah, the 2 hands you saw him play were BOTH very ABC, huh? Gabe has more live experince by a mile than anyone at that table but Doyle, and has been playing High stakes for over 30 years now.

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Daliman,

I agree with most of what you've said here and I usually say nothing when "strategy" enters these type of threads, but I can tell you from first hand experience that Gabe is awful at poker and if he's been playing high stakes for over 30 years then the high stakes pros have been doing their best to keep him and everyone else thinking that he can play for the last 30 years.

-DeathDonkey

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Rot, do you ever admit that there is even a glimmer of a possibilty that something you said is wrong?

I ask this because the last time I questioned something you said, incidentally I believe it was another extremely results oriented assertion on your part, you told me that I called the pot two different sizes and that my post made no sense. I then explained the very elemetary and obvious reality that the first figure was before a river bet, and the second figure was after the (sizable) river bet, hence the 2 different figures I was using.

It was a very easy explanation that any 2nd grader could have understood and you responded by basically saying, "first you say the pot is $X, then you say its $Y. I don't get it." Then you accused me of being on drugs, literally. This after I clearly exaplined it and all my numbers were correct.

You seem like the kind of guy who makes a lot of questionable assertions about comlpex plays, and then defends them all to the death even in the face of convicing and conclusive criticism. Not a good combo.

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Umm, why did Game Show Network just cut to an infomercial halfway through the broadcast?

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This has been the case the last two weeks for me as well and it's starting to piss me off. I'm contacting them about this right now, you should do the same.

http://www.gsn.com/help/contact.php

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You can thank Dominic for this:
Dominic's Infomercial

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what are you talking about? I'm not making an infomercial you doofus.

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"And for the next 13 weeks (the entire run of HSP 3) Vegas Night will be bringing you all the best that Vegas has to offer - in 30 and 60 second segments!"

Sounds like an infomercial to me but hell, I Tivo it and skip it anyways.

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1. It's just goofy stuff in and around Vegas. We're not selling anything.

2. It's certainly not taking any time from High Stakes Poker - - it's slots come out of the commercial time.

But please, feel free to keep commenting on something you don't know about, it's amusing.