What % of major tourney players are backed by sheets/bax?

[[Phill]]

Most poker pros are offended by that statement cbloom.

[shaniac]

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Most poker pros live by a moral code where "you scratch my back I scratch yours" is more important than following the rules exactly or providing a fair game to the rubes.

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You don't actually know any poker players, do you?

[The Camel]

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Most poker pros live by a moral code where "you scratch my back I scratch yours" is more important than following the rules exactly or providing a fair game to the rubes.

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You don't actually know any poker players, do you?

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Shane,

On the American pro poker circuit, what % of players you have come into contact with would you label as "low life scum, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw"?

[shaniac]

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Shane,

On the American pro poker circuit, what % of players you have come into contact with would you label as "low life scum, who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw"?

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It might just be my own experiences, but a very low percentage. Of the dozens (probably hundreds) of (specifically American?) players I have met, there is only a small handful that I explicitly don't trust, and fewer whom I don't like.

I've said it before, but people on the poker circuit exemplify "honor amongst thieves" and are more straightforward and real than people I've met in any other fringe microcosm (or, for that matter, in the straight world of business/finance/lawyer-types).

[Sponger.]

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diablo i'm disappointed i was not included with aj and strass man. i'm trying to break into the big time man, hit me with some press

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1:5 odds that Daryn wins the 2007 Carplayer POTY. I'll take action up to 500k.

[sirio11]

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I've said it before, but people on the poker circuit exemplify "honor amongst thieves" and are more straightforward and real than people I've met in any other fringe microcosm (or, for that matter, in the straight world of business/finance/lawyer-types).

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Meh, as you said, most probably your experience. Of course between 2 big worlds, poker vs non-poker people, there should be some poker players who are more straightforward and real than some non-poker players. And of course there are some gems as persons inside the poker world.
But I have no doubt that as a whole, the percentage of scumbags is greater in the poker world than in your average profession field.

[El Diablo]

Sponger: We're on, 475k

Camel: I disagree w/ Shane. I have spent a lot of time in cardrooms and I think a far higher percentage of people in the poker world are complete pieces of [censored] compared to any other field I've known people in. Having said that, some of my closest friends I've gotten to know through poker and among the poker players are some of the highest quality people in the world. But, on average, yeah, a sick amount of complete POS individuals.

[Bolivia]

I think ur wrong here sirio. You work (or have worked) in Acedemia. People in ur field typically feel a greater need to contribute to society. It's safe to say this is very distant from the average capitalist industry.

Try going out and doing numerous sizable all cash business transactions in the real world on a handshake only (in any industry)? I think you're much better off in poker. There is definitely an honor that exists amongst WINNING players. Most know each other, if not they can very easily spot them after spending a session or two with them.

From my personal experience, I've done maybe 1/30th the number of business transactions in the real world (start up / business investments etc.) than the ones i've done in the poker world. I've already had a sizable transaction almost go into litigation due to the greed of one of the business men involved. On the other hand, I've been screwed once in the poker world for $5k because the guy went broke (i'm still very confident that if he comes into money it'll be returned). Granted this is a small sample, but my early experiences suggest this.

Also, FWIW I used to work in the music industry. I have a girlfriend who is a VP at a large investment bank, two brothers on Wallstreet (one in investment banking and the other an oil trader) and numerous friends from college working in private equity. I've heard plenty of horror stories from them (and this is in industries where written contracts are a standard).

I do however think a distinction should be made. The pokerworld generates a much higher percentage of losers than ur typical industry (about 90% of the players lose money). If you make deals with losing playrs you're bound to get screwed. It's inevitable, they are losing and desperate. Now if we're comparing between shadyness amongst winning players or successful business men in your average industry, I'm much more confident sticking to poker.

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[fish2plus2]

People claim no softplaying, but I dont believe them. If they are in a situation where they would call 60% of the time, and folding would be better for the person you have a stake in, those cards are getting mucked.

[Kathy]

Ask Daniel N. and Scotty N. it happened in a limit tournament where Daniel backed Scotty.

Cards weren't mucked, just checked down, one had the nuts.

Kathy