Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games...

[brettbrettr]

I saw this post this morning in response to a thread about why people play crappy cards....

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I feel your pain brother. brettbrettr was at my table today and raised it to 3 bets with Q9s UTG. Of course, by the turn he had the flush and my 2 pair was worthless. Very next hand he 3 bet my raise with JJ. Flop was 989 with 2 suited. I bet he raised, I re-raised because this guy LOVES to call and then raise the flop with any two sooted that hits the flop for him. Decent play, but I wanted him to know he was behind. turn and river were both blanks and he flips over his 9To to win. 3 betting with 9To in BB? Whatever, I wouldn't likely do it, but to each his own.


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Obviously this guy has trouble remembering position and action (how many times have you 3-bet UTG?). I'm also sure I never reraised with 10-9o but since adopting the SSH strategies and playing my draws aggressively when it calls for it, these guys:

1. Can't put me on a hand
2. Give me action befitting a maniac!

Thanks Ed.

[Joe Rees]

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I saw this post this morning in response to a thread about why people play crappy cards....

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I feel your pain brother. brettbrettr was at my table today and raised it to 3 bets with Q9s UTG. Of course, by the turn he had the flush and my 2 pair was worthless. Very next hand he 3 bet my raise with JJ. Flop was 989 with 2 suited. I bet he raised, I re-raised because this guy LOVES to call and then raise the flop with any two sooted that hits the flop for him. Decent play, but I wanted him to know he was behind. turn and river were both blanks and he flips over his 9To to win. 3 betting with 9To in BB? Whatever, I wouldn't likely do it, but to each his own.


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Obviously this guy has trouble remembering position and action (how many times have you 3-bet UTG?). I'm also sure I never reraised with 10-9o but since adopting the SSH strategies and playing my draws aggressively when it calls for it, these guys:

1. Can't put me on a hand
2. Give me action befitting a maniac!

Thanks Ed.

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Funny how the person who posted that also read 2+2 and would notice this. Obviously you are the one who has trouble remembering position and action. You were UTG and I was SB. I raised appropriately with AKs to try and knock at least one person out. You re-raised me making it 3 bets to go. I called and we proceeded. Your post-flop play was very good considering the flop helped you by providing you with 2 lovely hearts to match the Q9 of hearts in your hand.

The very next hand, you were BB and I was on the button. I looked down and saw two hooks. It almost folded around the entire table and I, of course, raised. You re-raised me again and I called. Flop was 989 with the first two peeled off being spades. You bet and I raised thinking that you likely wouldn't have a 9 in your hand with that kind of action pre-flop. 99 or 88 were certainly possibilities though knowing your sometimes maniac-like play. So, I flat called and watched painfully as you flipped 9To for trip 9's.

If you would have read the thread you so eloquently stole my post from, you would have noticed that it was actually regarding what people might actually be folding if they are willing to raise or re-raise in EP with hands like 86o, Q9s, or 9To. It's interesting to see people play these kinds of hands to a raise or re-raise in bad position and then fold the very next hand that probably wasn't that much worse considering what their starting hand requirements are.

BTW, I don't think Ed would ever recommend re-raising from BB with 9To any day unless the raiser had showns over and over his likelyhood to steal with nothing. If you thought that about me, you've not been paying attention at my table.

I'm sure we'll see each other at the tables again, and when we do, maybe you'll be paying more attention.

[brettbrettr]

I'm thrilled you found this post. That's just hysterical--even though from your tone it sounds as if you're not amused.

If you have the hand histories, I'd love to see em...I don't remember reraising you from the BB with 10-9o, but I do remember the hand.

[Joe Rees]

Sorry if it sounded like I was upset as I'm not. Unfortunately, the place you and I play at does not provide hand histories at all yet. We've been pressuring Platinum Poker to start providing them as well as providing compatability with Poker Tracker. Like I said in my followup post @ VP, congrats to you on winning those two hands. I do remember distinctly what you held in those two hands though. For some reason you always remember the hands you lost to hands you don't think you should've lost against. I'll give you credit on playing those hands that way makes it very difficult to get a read on you. But at the same time, I doubt those plays are going to be +EV. I'll also concede that your post-flop play is usually very good considering the texture of each flop, etc.

I could have seen you playing those cards against me if you thought that I was simply an aggressive maniac, but I'd hope you know that I am the exact opposite of that. In these low limit games I'm usually playing extremely tight and raising with the right cards in the right positions.

[brettbrettr]

Alright, the jig is up and you know I'm not a maniac. So, while it might cost me some money since we see each other often, I like you, so I'm going to tell you a not-so-secret-secret:

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In these low limit games I'm usually playing extremely tight and raising with the right cards in the right positions.


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Play like this and you're leaving money on the table.

(By the by, I called in the BB with the 9-10o. I did raiseform UTG with the Q9s--the table was tight and shorthanded--but I only called the 3 bet.)

[Brocktoon]

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You were UTG and I was SB. I raised appropriately with AKs to try and knock at least one person out.

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Huh? How do you knock people out pre-f from the sb aside from the BB? Also, if he 3 bet you from UTG then he limp re-raised, yet I haven't heard limp reraise said by either of you yet.

[Brain]

I'm not sure why I'm reading this part of the thread, but you're raising AKs here for value, not to limit the field.

[brettbrettr]

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I'm not sure why I'm reading this part of the thread,

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Agreed.

Joe,

If you want to continue arguing, hit me here:

[email protected]

We probably don't need to bore everyone....

brett

[Joe Rees]

Sorry to drag everyone into this. I really wasn't intending for it to become an "argument" just a healthy discussion about a couple of hands. BTW, He did limp-reraise with the Q9s. I mentioned that at the other forum site and didn't put it in my post above because I figured that it would be assumed since that is the only was it would be possible.

[EliteNinja]

Cheers to Ed Miller.