Greatest Drummer Eva!

[cwsiggy]

I have a serious question. Is Jazz drumming really that muych harder that what Neil Peart does? I mean really, don't you think Neil or anyone of his caliber could play anything Jazz can throw at him with no effort?

[Razor]

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Name one song where he pounds the bass drum as fast as Lars Ulrich.

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Only an idiot would give a [censored] about this.

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[censored], you're the one insisting that he's fast. Prove it. I'm merely explaining how I came up with my conclusion that he's not fast.

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At what point did I suggest he was fast?

I don't know if he's fast or not. I don't care. I LOLed because I think it's funny that you think Moon's speed, or lack there of, is important.

[wet work]

a couple I haven't seen mentioned yet, while not the best ever are still really talented: Stephen Perkins and Brann Dailor(mastodon)

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gusmahler:
It isn't hard to understand...I was just giving you a hard time because your post makes it sound like "fast" is faster now than it was 40 years ago in an absolute sense. No question the musical styles now allow for faster playing, but fast is fast.

cwsiggy:
There are a couple of CDs called "Burning For Buddy" which are big band tributes to Buddy Rich where a bunch of famous rock drummers (mostly rock drummers) play a bunch of big band songs. Among them are Neil Peart, Bill Bruford, and Steve Smith (Journey). I don't know if it indicates those guys are "worse", but it definitely sounds "different".

[nutfloppa]

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Drummers today are faster than drummers of the 60s. Why is that so hard to understand

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Because its not true.


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Would you deny that guitarists today are faster than guitarists of the 60s.

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yes I would

[gusmahler]

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Drummers today are faster than drummers of the 60s. Why is that so hard to understand

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Because its not true.


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Would you deny that guitarists today are faster than guitarists of the 60s.

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yes I would

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OK, name some fast songs from the 60s with fast drumming.

And have you ever heard the name Dream Theater? Listen to the album Train of Thought and listen to the final two tracks. Then list any 60s song where the guitarist is as fast in the solos.

[turnipmonster]

it's pretty well accepted that virtuosity on instruments increases every generation. the easiest and clearest way to look at this is to look at the range of trumpet players now vs. earlier generations. go as far back as you like and find people playing double Cs back in the day.

as far as rock guitarists, most guitarists in the 60s were quite sloppy by today's standards, although if you were referring to another genre like flamenco I might agree that there has not been a ton of technique gained. those guys (and girls) are the gold standard for pure technique imho.

[KDawg]

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I have a serious question. Is Jazz drumming really that muych harder that what Neil Peart does? I mean really, don't you think Neil or anyone of his caliber could play anything Jazz can throw at him with no effort?

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in a word, no. Many rock drummers load up their kits with too many Toms and Cymbals, a Jazz Kit at most usually has only 3 cymbals, a floor tom, Hi-Hat, Bass Drum, and a Snare. Lets also go with the fact that a Jazz Drummer has to play at tempos a decent amount that would put tons of drummers to shame. Try Listening to Max Roach playing with Charlie Parker, and then try to tell me that someone like Neal Peart could do that with no effort. Please. I think that one of the biggest indictments on rock drumming came from Charlie Watts. He is a pretty good rock drummer, but he has said on many occasions that he never listens to Rock and that the only music he really listens to is jazz. Seriously, ask someone who actually plays the drums what is generally harder to play, Jazz or Rock

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Drummers like Charlie Watts and Mick Fleetwood don't get much respect because they never do anything flashy, but just always manage to play perfect rythym parts. I appreciate both of them.

[turnipmonster]

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I have a serious question. Is Jazz drumming really that muych harder that what Neil Peart does? I mean really, don't you think Neil or anyone of his caliber could play anything Jazz can throw at him with no effort?

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a lot of being good at jazz drumming is having a great feel and being able to lock in with the bass player and swing the whole band. this is not a very quantifiable thing and very hard to master, also it really cannot be mastered by sitting in your room practicing drums. other things included in being a great jazz drummer are having a unique and instantly identifiable style, and having a strong concept in dynamics, song structure, theme and development, etc. it's really a whole different skill set than rock drumming.