ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[La Brujita]

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Hey ZJ,

Would love your input on the following common tourney situation.

Late-middle stages of tourney. Blinds 150/300. Avg stack 6,500. I'm UTG w/ 4,000 and 33. I'm also in CO w/ 10,000 and QTs.

What is optimal strategy here?

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What do you have in the BB?

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NHs sirs. These are excellent!

[ackbleh]

I do not think ZJ took advantage when he had multiple accounts at one table. I have met him and know plenty of people who are friends with him. If you'd read my post, you'd realize that I am not defending his actions, and I realize that others could take advantage, I just don't think he did.

I also clearly acknowledged that each entry has equivilent value and does hurt others because he is a +EV player.

I think the awful logic here is for you to suggest that I consider several pros with multiple accounts when discussing whether the effect of ZJ's multiaccounting was small. ZJ is not responsible for what other pros do.

If someone ends up with two accounts on the same table and takes advantage, it affects EV. I don't think ZJ did... although I do think if he got two accounts at a final table it would be impossible to avoid. The chief affect on others' EV is, as you stated, having to play against extra entries from a good player.

[El Diablo]

BT,

I know if I were in Shane's position, I would face a tough decision. I also know how I deal with that sort of stuff for the most part. I disassociate myself from people who put me in that posistion.

In real-life this comes up in various scenarios. For example, I've had friends who cheat on their girlfriends/wives. Then we all go out together. I can't really sit there and feel good about myself knowing that this dude just f'd some sloot the night before and now we're all out having dinner. But, if my primary friend is the guy and he has confided in me, no, I don't rat him out to the gf he's cheating on. But I don't feel good about it. So, I end up drifting away from those people.

It is easy to say that Shane should do the same. But he is a professional poker player and the number of people who are in his peer group and play a lot in moral gray areas is very high. Yes, hopefully he gravitates towards those who have reasonable morals. But, I suspect he has to strike a balance that is perhaps a little trickier than some of us who associate with a broader spectrum of people.

Am I saying Shane is in the right and absolutely doing the right thing? No. I'm just saying that I can understand the dilemma Shane faces and how he finds himself in that situation.

[El Diablo]

ackbleh,

ZJ has stated that he found himself at the same table multiple times, yet still played both accounts at those tables.

Does that not give you pause?

[Michael Davis]

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You only need one account; the times don't overlap.

-Michael

[ackbleh]

I admit that when doing a quick scan of posts I found fewer of the type I was referring to. I don't think it's fair of you to assume that I was referring to everyone, however. Here is an example of a post that I think clearly exhibits what I was talking about:

So many more top names are going to be exposed and I cant wait till all these online heroes go down cause they are filthy greedy....gg greed I hope you all go down and burn in hell

I'm not basing my opinion of whether he colluded on those accounts solely upon his statement. I've met the guy, I know several people who are friends with him, and it's my personal judgement of his character that he's telling the truth in that regard. Take it how you will.

[raisins]

Excellent post. I agree completely about the importance of the integrity of the game.

Small quibble, I know nothing about Gigabet but with all the smoke I think he's less of a dog than that and ZeeJustin has way too much going for him, much bigger dog but this is in poor taste.

raisins

[RedBean]

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What does it say about his personal integrity that he willingly continues to associate with such cheats when he won't do anything to stop their actions?

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It doesn't say anything about his personal integrity, actually. It most likely means he doesn't care enough anout these "friends" to deal with confronting them, and looks the other way as they reap what they sow themselves.

When I see a random brother on the corner with a crack pipe, I don't swerve out of traffic, park on the curb, get out and approach him and slap him around and preach to him to get his life together. I let him sow his own seeds and be responsible for his own actions.

If it is someone I care about, then we have on of those RedBean-style interventions where I make Bobby Knight look like Mary Poppins in comparision.

Simply put, I get the impression Shane doesn't care enough about these guys he knows of enough to help them, which is what it is, and means what it means.

If anything, the fact that Shane was encouraged by many to "keep up with the joneses" by joining them in this type of activity but he still had the moral fiber to know better speaks volumes of positivity about his own integrity.

Not everyone has the time or personality to take on a personal crusade of outing cheating friends publicly or through intervention, and rather just look away and concern themselves with their own decisions.

Curtains and Shane are getting an unfair amount of scrutiny in this thread on the basis of their fringe involvement with ZJ as an acquaintence.

I view Shane as an honest guy who has nothing to hide, but he has no interest in getting involved in bulldogging cheaters and rather see the guys at Party being paid to do their jobs do it.

And what should be more telling are those even closer and more complicit to ZJ and this type of activity that have remained conspiciously absent from this thread altogether, praying that their eleventh hour withdrawals clear, and that they can escape the deeds of the past and fly under the radar on this one.

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BT,

I know if I were in Shane's position, I would face a tough decision. I also know how I deal with that sort of stuff for the most part. I disassociate myself from people who put me in that posistion.

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That has been my point that such disassociation from such "friends" is the very very least he should do. If he won't do that, then it says something about his own integrity, or perhaps more charitably, about his insecurity in being able to find more ethical friends. And I really can't believe the pool of poker players who cheat is such a large percentage of the total, that it would be difficult for him to find such new and honest poker friends. However maybe the percentage of ethically dishonest players is much higher among tourney players for some reason I am not aware of.

[El Diablo]

Michael,

"You only need one account; the times don't overlap."

I thought it might be getting old, but no, STILL AS HILARIOUS AS EVER!!!! THIS WILL NEVER STOP BEING FUNNY!