STTF SNG->cash thread

[xPeru]

General question, not worth it's own thread:

You have 2 pair: villain makes PSB on river, or, you bet half pot and villain reraises. What factors influence you to call or fold? Eg in my experience, at the lowest levels (1c/2c - 5c/10c) this is an easy fold, villains almost never raise a river bet, or pot the river with a hand 2 pair beats.

What I'm looking for is a pooh bah post with guidance on determining +$EV lines ... Help!

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

How should you handle this situation on all streets?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($22.85)
UTG+1 ($19.40)
MP1 ($17.30)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($29.10)
Hero ($23.55)
SB ($24.40)
BB ($4.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($8.35) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20.05</font>, CO calls $13.05.

Turn: ($48.45) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($48.45) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $48.45

[futuredoc85]

fold pf at 25NL i think. bleh i hate when ppl say "dont play like this at lower limits" but i honestly doubt that 2 unknowns at 25NL are loose enough PF to do anything but fold here.

[xPeru]

You need to give us some numbers on villain.

The only hands you are beating at this level are AK/AQs, and I think his flop call tells you you're beat. So the universal question is ... how do we tell he's AK/AQ and not QQ+? First, I'm checking his aggression stats, over 3 and I think I'm ahead with JJ, so I would reraise preflop to $8. If he calls, he's effectively denied AA/KK, if he repops you, lay it down. Aggro less than 3, I am a nit, and will call and lay it down if no J hits.

He checked the turn and river, he's unlikely to have AA/KK, so that leaves AK/AQ, QQ. Even with a pot this big, you have a chance to make him lay down QQ, so if he checks the turn, I would shove the rest of my stack in here(I'm a donk, you're already all-in, but IF you had chips left ...). The problem is that you didn't reraise PF, so you can't really rep AA/KK, so after your flop bet, your line is fine. I think the better line is reraise PF, so that you can find out of your JJ is junk.

[xPeru]

Futuredoc, help me with the 2 pr question, I'm bleeding $ here. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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You need to give us some numbers on villain.

The only hands you are beating at this level are AK/AQs, and I think his flop call tells you you're beat. So the universal question is ... how do we tell he's AK/AQ and not QQ+? First, I'm checking his aggression stats, over 3 and I think I'm ahead with JJ, so I would reraise preflop to $8. If he calls, he's effectively denied AA/KK, if he repops you, lay it down. Aggro less than 3, I am a nit, and will call and lay it down if no J hits.

He checked the turn and river, he's unlikely to have AA/KK, so that leaves AK/AQ, QQ. Even with a pot this big, you have a chance to make him lay down QQ, so if he checks the turn, I would shove the rest of my stack in here(I'm a donk, you're already all-in, but IF you had chips left ...). The problem is that you didn't reraise PF, so you can't really rep AA/KK, so after your flop bet, your line is fine. I think the better line is reraise PF, so that you can find out of your JJ is junk.

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I have PAHUD, but have not used it much. Which aggression stat should I use (as I recall there were several)

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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General question, not worth it's own thread:

You have 2 pair: villain makes PSB on river, or, you bet half pot and villain reraises. What factors influence you to call or fold? Eg in my experience, at the lowest levels (1c/2c - 5c/10c) this is an easy fold, villains almost never raise a river bet, or pot the river with a hand 2 pair beats.

What I'm looking for is a pooh bah post with guidance on determining +$EV lines ... Help!

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good question. I hate 2 pair... I lose often with it to sets and str8s

[futuredoc85]

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Futuredoc, help me with the 2 pr question, I'm bleeding $ here. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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honestly im not sure how to answer it, because in spots where im looking for an answer there im looking to how we got there, pre and post flop. There are spots to c/c the river w/ 2 pair, spots to b/c it, and spots to b/f it. And in position there are spots where i can fold, call, or raise a bet.

[xPeru]

It is his PF AF that I was looking at. I use it as a proxy for putting players on ranges for PF reraises. I basically use three ranges for micro NL. PF AF &lt;1= Uber Nit: AA,KK. PF AF &gt;1&lt;3 = Nit: QQ+, AK. PF AF 3+ = LAG: 88+,AQo+,AJs+.

Sorry not to be more precise Futuredoc: You know I know what you're saying! Basically, I'm losing $ on my calls, and I'm not sure whether this is sample size or bad decisions, I don't seem to have a clear idea of the indicators that the guy has me beat, which means I'm giving him too wide a range at the river.

[futuredoc85]

what i meant is that his range for any given river action depends heavily on the lines taken by both players prior to the river. Also if you want to give pf ranges based on HUD use preflop raise and attempt to steal, these should give you a more accurate range since AF depends on how often they limp or cold-call rather than just how much they raise