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check/call 1 8.33%
bet/call 5 41.67%
bet/3b 5 41.67%
check/raise 1 8.33%
bet/fold (NITS) 0 0%
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  #1111  
Old 09-26-2007, 11:52 AM
wiggs73 wiggs73 is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

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61/8/1 over 250 hands

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1 is not very aggressive, but you didn't say HOW he hasn't been respecting your cbets... in other words, if he simply just doesn't fold, then that is much different if he doesn't fold but also bets every turn when you check.

The point is, the 1 indicates that he is passive postflop, so based on that I wouldn't expect him to bet the turn very often. So I'd much prefer to bet myself when I expect my opponent to call with basically any piece. You protect vs. draws and you get value out of 1 pair hands or better.

But if he's been betting the turn when checked to, then check/raising the turn can be ok as well.

Really it's hard to say what the optimal line is w/o knowing a little bit more about how he plays postflop. In a vacuum against this type of opponent I'd rather just fire a 2nd barrel on the turn.

If I check/raised the turn, I would make it more and I'd shove any river.
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:55 AM
terrellk11 terrellk11 is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

If he has no respect for your cbets, your bet on the flop should be pot-sized instead of 2/3 pot.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:18 PM
IFoldPktOnes IFoldPktOnes is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

Hmmmm, checking PT his aggression is 0.19 preflop, 2.07/2.75/3.33 postflop. I only have total aggression shown in my HUD. He had been running hot, mostly against me at 61% won at showdown and 32% went to showdown.

I had been giving up on a lot of c-bets against him after a failed double barrel that got showndown.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

DrJ,
Three bet to 3.50 preflop.
I would raise the flop get it most of the time especially if there is a FD on board.

rhett,
Sick spot do you have reads? I probably fold and probably bet 10 on the turn.

IFoldPkt1s,
Just keep betting until you get it in he could check back FDs midpair, etc.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

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DrJ,
Three bet to 3.50 preflop.
I would raise the flop get it most of the time especially if there is a FD on board.

rhett,
Sick spot do you have reads? I probably fold and probably bet 10 on the turn.

IFoldPkt1s,
Just keep betting until you get it in he could check back FDs midpair, etc.

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agree on all 3 hands. I FoldPkts, I would make my cbet slighty larger there.
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Old 09-26-2007, 03:49 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

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I posted in micro w/ few responses. Also looks like converter may have messed up slightly...

How is my line post flop? No reads, had been playing for about 15 minutes...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($6.45)
MP2 ($19.40)
MP3 ($23.50)
CO ($8)
Button ($18.90)
SB ($18.60)
BB ($8.70)
UTG ($24.70)
Hero ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Kc, Kh.
UTG|UTG raises to $1.1, Hero raises to $2.5, 7 folds, UTG|UTG calls $1.40.

Flop: ($4.25) 7, 8, Q (2 players)
UTG|UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $8, UTG|UTG raises to $27.2, Hero ?

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r/r more pf and on the flop. get it in.

just looked at the original. all spade flop makes it scary, but i'd still raise more. as played it looks like a fold.
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:12 PM
djj6835 djj6835 is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

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1 is not very aggressive, but you didn't say HOW he hasn't been respecting your cbets... in other words, if he simply just doesn't fold, then that is much different if he doesn't fold but also bets every turn when you check.

The point is, the 1 indicates that he is passive postflop

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An af of even one is pretty aggressive when you're playing every hand.
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:31 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL w/ KK on scary flop

someone asked about how to use pt stats a while back. i found this post very helpful.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post4946669
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:36 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $25 NL 2 pair vs AI raise

I also posted in NL cash...

How's my line? Fold or ok to call (no reads)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($36.45)
SB ($35.55)
BB ($13.90)
UTG ($8.40)
Hero ($32)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.75</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.75.

Turn: ($2.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $34.55</font>, Hero?
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:44 PM
Josem Josem is offline
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Default Re: $25 NL 2 pair vs AI raise

dr j,

1) fold pf; if you want to VPIP, raise

2) raise flop

3) raise more on turn; call push, i guess.

you lose to 56 and 44, i guess, and get paid off by a chunk of other stuff. another reason to fold pf, or raise.
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