SSNL POKER [cheese] thread AUG PT 2

[Kowalski]

Am I unoriginal for saying LOL Donkaments? Because lol donkaments.

[Etats360]

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Villain is new but hasnt gotten out of line so far as I can see.

NH yes?


Plz no comment on flop

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $271.85
BB: $292.55
UTG: $250.40
CO: $200.00
BTN: $244.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $7.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $16.00

Flop: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($48) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, CO calls $32.00

River: ($112) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $65.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $145.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $80.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $242.00 ($3 Rake)

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I can't see anything villian gets to the river to bluff with, except maybe AdQd, which he probably would have bet/raised flop or turn with.

[Kowalski]

Did you misclick river GTL?

[Kowalski]

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Villain is new but hasnt gotten out of line so far as I can see.

NH yes?


Plz no comment on flop

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $271.85
BB: $292.55
UTG: $250.40
CO: $200.00
BTN: $244.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $7.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $16.00

Flop: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($48) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, CO calls $32.00

River: ($112) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $65.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $145.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $80.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $242.00 ($3 Rake)

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I can't see anything villian gets to the river to bluff with, except maybe AdQd, which he probably would have bet/raised flop or turn with.

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I dunno, this looks like a good spot to bluff for villain.

[gimmetheloot]

hes giving me &gt;5:1 odds fwiw...i think that makes it a call in retrospect

gah such a donkey

[Etats360]

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Villain is new but hasnt gotten out of line so far as I can see.

NH yes?


Plz no comment on flop

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $271.85
BB: $292.55
UTG: $250.40
CO: $200.00
BTN: $244.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $7.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $16.00

Flop: ($48) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($48) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, CO calls $32.00

River: ($112) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $65.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $145.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $80.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $242.00 ($3 Rake)

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I can't see anything villian gets to the river to bluff with, except maybe AdQd, which he probably would have bet/raised flop or turn with.

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I dunno, this looks like a good spot to bluff for villain.

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Thats true, but I'm not sure if a villian who hasn't gotten out of line would turn JJ into a bluff here?

[Kowalski]

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hes giving me &gt;5:1 odds fwiw...i think that makes it a call in retrospect

gah such a donkey

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Yeah that's why it's an instacall for me, even if it is 4 to a straight and some irritating set possibilities.

[AE6]

i guess there are still some donks at 2/4:

PokerStars Game #11601350871: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/08/20 - 21:46:55 (ET)
Table 'Byblis IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DearDeirdre ($354.70 in chips)
Seat 2: farlzz ($394 in chips)
Seat 4: Shiv ($469 in chips)
Seat 5: societymax ($916.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Figgy05 ($375.70 in chips)
Shiv: posts small blind $2
societymax: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to societymax [Td 9d]
Figgy05: raises $8 to $12
NutsInYoEye leaves the table
DearDeirdre: calls $12
farlzz: folds
Shiv: folds
societymax: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [3d 8h 6d]
societymax: bets $32
Figgy05: calls $32
DearDeirdre: folds
*** TURN *** [3d 8h 6d] [Ks]
Abar_Mard joins the table at seat #3
societymax: bets $84
Figgy05: calls $84
*** RIVER *** [3d 8h 6d Ks] [6h]
societymax: bets $788.50 and is all-in
Figgy05: calls $247.70 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
societymax: shows [Td 9d] (a pair of Sixes)
Figgy05: shows [4h 4d] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)
Figgy05 collected $763.40 from pot
societymax said, "omg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $765.40 | Rake $2
Board [3d 8h 6d Ks 6h]
Seat 1: DearDeirdre folded on the Flop
Seat 2: farlzz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Shiv (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: societymax (big blind) showed [Td 9d] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 6: Figgy05 showed [4h 4d] and won ($763.40) with two pair, Sixes and Fours

[SilentNoise]

ae6 regarding your hand:;

what would you say the advantages are in b3b here instead of a checkraise? since the preflop raiser is in the middle, if he has an overpair he'll cbet, the other guy might call with some weak midpair/toppair/random weak draw...and then you can checkraise and trap his dead money in the pot. by going for the b3b line here you arent making use of your relative position.

thats not to say i dont sometimes bet here but maybe i shouldnt?

also: what hands that call the double barrel on the turn will fold to the river shove you think?

[AE6]

yeah you might be right that c/r is better here. i think i have a tendency to default to b3b in multiway pots. this probably developed b/c i'm nittishly scared about giving a free card when i flop a set, but i spose that doesn't apply as much to combo draw hands.

i already knew this guy was kind of a donk, so as for hands that call flop+turn but fold river i think we can include all draws, 99-QQ, maybe even some kind of 98 or T8 hand.