ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[El Diablo]

All,

When evaluating situations like this, I think it's important to use logical thinking to attempt to determine the intent behind these actions to the best of our ability. I agree that all cheaters should be punished harshly, but I also believe that the intent of one's actions should be taken into account to get a proper context of what's going on.

When someone puts two entries into a tournament, it is believable that they just wanted two shots and effectively just wanted to increase their earn in terms of number of tourneys/time they are able to play. Someone like this may even have a plan (sitting out or whatever) for the unlikely situation in which they end up at the same table with both accounts. The more infrequently this is done and the more rare (ie: only for special $1k buyin tournaments or whatever that only come by once in a while) the event is, the more likely their intent is benign (not that that excuses their actions).

On the flip side, someone who puts SIX HORSES into tournaments in a planned, ongoing manner is far more likely to be doing this with the intent of taking advantage of having multiple accounts at the same table and exploiting every benefit this provides. When this person finds himself at the same table, yet still decides to play on with both accounts, and even for future occurrences, does not make a plan of sitting out (or reducing horses so this is far less likely to happen again), then we must consider how reasonable it is that this person took this action for any reason other than cheating to the fullest extent. Looking at this specific case, the rationalizations that ZJ uses in his post (I did nothing wrong, everyone does it, it's not that big an advantage, Party is screwing me over, anyone would do this for the easy money, etc.) lend even more support to the possibility of what many of us would consider very serious premeditated cheating.

Yes, it is possible that ZJ just wanted more entries into tournaments than he was able to play sequentially. But there is a lot of evidence pointing to him planning a strategy with which to cheat online MTTs in any and every way possible. Knowing this, I find it very likely that his actions went far beyond simple multi-accounting.

[Jbrochu]

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Anyway people's post count isn't really relevant in this discussion. Ackbleh makes an attempt at a well thought out post looking at everything from an almost completely objective standpoint, I find it petty that you would pinpoint that one sentence.

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That is a fair criticism. His post overall was very well thought-out and fairly objective.

[Blarg]

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Why do any of you really care? Are you all upstanding in your own lives? Have you ever cheated before? Have you ever made mistakes in your own life? Well guess what, even the best players in poker mess up, just like everyone else. If this was some joe schmoe who plays 11 dollar sit and go's who gets caught doing something like this, no one gives a flying [censored], but since it's a high profile player everyone is quick to grab the stake and wants to nail him to it. Even if this is true, which I think it very well is, who cares? What goes around comes around, cheater's might win today, but eventually they get caught.

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I think its part jealousy and part "wow, he's so succesful because he cheated, well lets crucify him". A lot if it is though that ZJ is pretty much a cocky douche. He never posts on here, and when he does he often talks down to people. It would be different if he was more of a solid guy.

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Cheating is cheating no matter who you are. Most people just don't like cheating, period. Casting this issue as if it were only being discussed because player X Y or Z was involved is missing the point. Not to mention, many people neither know nor care who player X Y or Z is anyway.

[PassiveCaller]

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on the flip side, the ZJ and JJ episodes have raised my esteem for a host of people (MLG and sirio come to mind immediately) who called the multi-accounting practice for what it was from the start: unabashed cheating.

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I agree, I'm very impressed especially with KKF, El Diablo, and Sucker who I've always thought highly of their advice and opinions to begin with and the fact I agree 100% with them on this has simply re-enforced that.

[KaneKungFu123]

I am 100% sure this scenerio occured.

ZJ is UTG. "Well, I guess I normally raise in this position."

ZJ, ON HIS SECOND [censored] ACCOUNT ON THE SAME TABLE,
"Well, I have KK, guess I normally reraise here. Nothing wrong with this. Just playing the way I normally would."

Anyone who doesnt think that many of ZJ's friends aren't doing the samething he is doing are out of their mind. These are a bunch of little bratty kids. The idea of their friend having a stronger edge then they do is probably way too much for them. I get to change my account name every six months. Why does ZJ get to have 6 accounts?

Shaniac: Ive never been in your exact position, but I have a hard time believing that I would be able to keep my mouth shut. I guess I would just take it too personal.

Comparing using drugs to stealing from other people is retarded.

[talcum]

This is the classic embezzeler mentality that they have justification to take the money because they can twist it in their mind until it isn't actually stealing. I don't know the guy and I don't care but it sounds like he's a young guy and $100K being taken away is the least of his problems if he can't be honest with himself about what he did. No human is going to be at the same table with two account and play "honestly".

[KaneKungFu123]

"No human is going to be at the same table with two account and play honestly."

The moment you play two accounts on one table, honesty is out the window. This is why ZJ's argument is completely destroyed.

[Pokeraddict]

Already the most viewed MTT thread in less then 24 hours.

[The Truth]

damn, all this time i've been single accounting it like a [censored] fish.

blake

[MikeSmith]

partypoker is going to secretly reveal cork in mickey mantles bat next...stay tuned

Zee go back to school, i really dont know if the poker world will forget about this