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#101
11-14-2005, 03:53 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
Hi Tx:
[ QUOTE ] I think that a very agressive NL player will take this pot down PF when he reads his opponent for >QQ and re-raises with the AQs [/ QUOTE ] I'm just curious but how do you read your opponent for less than queens? Best wishes, Mason 
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#102
11-14-2005, 03:56 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
Hi Duke:
Don't take this wrong, but your thinking needs a lot of work. For instance, if an ace flops, it's tougher for the jacks to catch a third one. That's because one of the cards on the flop is taken away from the possibility of it being a jack. Anyway, make sure you finish SSH. Even though it's not on no limit, it should help your thinking in this area. Best wishes, Mason
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#103
11-14-2005, 04:02 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
i definitely do not agree that when a player calls a reraise that the person with jacks is afraid that he is up against a better hand......of course this is player dependent but most of the times the player with the jacks will think he is still ahead....
my two cents...
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#104
11-14-2005, 04:04 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
I do agree I offered a very simple model and the call on the flop rather than a raise is probably typical, but the simplified model captures 95% of what would happen here. Obviously very rarely AJ or QJ could hit the flop and this takes away some expected value but their might be more money to be extracted from JJ when an A or Q flops and their is action on the turn and river, which more than makes up for the AJ or QJ situations.
I would never call the preflop reraise with AQ either, but the example shows the value to be gained on certain hands against a player who will always make a continuation bet.
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#106
11-14-2005, 04:12 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
If I had JJ and someone called my large reraise I would know that I could not possibly dominate a good player there. The best I could hope for was AK, certainly I would not expect to see a pair less than JJ. In Phil Gordon's Little Green Book he talks about flat calling with JJ and hoping to flop a set just as he would with other smaller pairs. That big reraise with JJ is going to cost you lots of money if rags flop and you bet the pot and you are facing QQ, KK or AA as you expect a caller of that large reraise to have.
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#107
11-14-2005, 04:31 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
so you are saying people don't call reraises with smaller pocket pairs and suited connectors if the stacks are deep enough and only with QQ-AA, AK? AQs? I beg to differ....
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#108
11-14-2005, 04:50 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
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His thinking was that she didn't have the knowledge to make a "continuation bet" in this spot [/ QUOTE ] Mason, This is completely incorrect thinking with respect to the vast majority of no-limit games I have played across a variety of limits (spanning from 1-2 to 50-100) and both cash and tourney games over the last couple of years. The vast majority of players almost automatically fire continuation bets from any position once they have raised preflop.
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#109
11-14-2005, 04:53 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
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That's the key. While you don't know that he has jacks, in reality that's exactly what he has, and should play the hand accordingly. Also, when the ace-queen calls the reraise, the player with jacks will be afraid that he is against a hand better than ace-queen -- of course this can be very player dependent. [/ QUOTE ] Mason, Your NL inexperience is showing through here. In reality what he has is postition and last aggression, and will often play the hand accordingly. That is more of a key than the fact that he happens to have JJ in his hand. Most players will most definitely think they have the best hand and play accordingly. The JJ reraiser is usually not going to be worried about his opponent having a stronger hand. It is the AQ who will often be more worried about the fact that his opponent may well have him dominated w/ QQ-AA or AK.
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#110
11-14-2005, 04:56 AM
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Re: Player Discussion
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Well, no one understood what I was talking about. No wonder the games are good. [/ QUOTE ] I still don't understand what you are talking about after having a quick glance over the entire thread. Was the question "after raising pf, and getting reraised, would you rather have JJ or AQs?" and are you trying to argue that AQs is better? or am I missing something here?
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