Grammar vs. Grammer

[Hoya]

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- Forte: The word is pronounced "fort" not "for-tay".

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Not entirely accurate.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...y&va=forte

[splashpot]

The only thing that pisses me off is when someone misuses your, you're, their, there, or they're and claims they did it on purpose. Why the [censored] would you make that mistake on purpose?

If you're going to misspell a word on purpose, you better make it damn obvious that you meant to. Otherwise you just look like a huge idiot that is trying to cover up your stupidity with a lie.

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btw, many of us here use "rediculous" in the same way we use "moran." Misspelling is kind of the point.

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This is pretty much exactly what I'm talking about. Moran is almost always used intentionally. Ridiculous is unintentionally misspelled all the time. You look stupid unless your intent is very obvious.

[GMan42]

One quick point for the "care less" haters out there...I personally say "couldn't care less," but I've always thought of the other phrasing as being meant sarcastically, like "[as if] I could care less". Therefore I never really felt that it was wrong, just an alternate way of putting it.

[fslexcduck]

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- Fewer/Less: Fewer refers to a smaller amount which can be physically counted. "I have two fewer dollars than Chris." Less refers to a smaller amount which cannot be be physically counted. "I have less money than Chris."


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just to be a nit, for nittiness's sake (for nittiness sakes?) the actually quantity has no relevance to the fewer/less distinction.

and whoever said that i was excluded from grammar comments due to my lack of capitalization, oh you are so, so wrong my friend. i think it looks better and has a better feel without capitalization. besides, that way, when i'm proving someone wrong (sometimes), being completely condescending to them (often), or just outright saying something far more intelligent than what they said (always) it tones down the hint of arrogance. just a bit. maybe. and at the same time, for some, it kind of has that quality of "f you, i can write without any regard to my capitalization, yet still use (near) perfect grammar and make a better point."

haha now that you've made me analyze my reasoning for what actually probably amounts to nothing more than laziness to use the shift key, i'm sticking to my argument.

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

I can't be arsed to read this whole thread, but has anyone brought up the "____ and I" problem that 99.999999995% of America seems to have? It's not always "____ and I." For instance, "my mom had two cookies left, so she gave them to my sister and I" just sounds incredibly retarded. It's "my mom had two cookies left, so she gave them to my sister and me." "My sister and I ate the cookies." It's not that difficult. Just take the "___ and" part out of the sentence, think about whether you'd say "I" or "me" and then use whichever you would use without the other person being mentioned. You wouldn't say "my mom gave I a cookie."

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Patrick just gave a grammar lesson to OOT and I.

[ScottieK]

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I can't be arsed to read this whole thread, but has anyone brought up the "____ and I" problem that 99.999999995% of America seems to have? It's not always "____ and I." For instance, "my mom had two cookies left, so she gave them to my sister and I" just sounds incredibly retarded. It's "my mom had two cookies left, so she gave them to my sister and me." "My sister and I ate the cookies." It's not that difficult. Just take the "___ and" part out of the sentence, think about whether you'd say "I" or "me" and then use whichever you would use without the other person being mentioned. You wouldn't say "my mom gave I a cookie."

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I blame teachers. When I was in elementary school, teachers would always warn us against the "me-and" disease when kids would say something like "me and Mike were in the sandbox." They would get corrected by a teacher who would say, "no, that's 'Mike and I.' Don't get the 'me-and' disease!" Naturally, kids learned to avoid putting "and" and "me" together, whether it was correct or not.

Yeesh, nit relapse. Sorry about that.

ScottieK

[DrewDevil]

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- Fewer/Less: Fewer refers to a smaller amount which can be physically counted. "I have two fewer dollars than Chris." Less refers to a smaller amount which cannot be be physically counted. "I have less money than Chris."


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just to be a nit, for nittiness's sake (for nittiness sakes?) the actually quantity has no relevance to the fewer/less distinction.

and whoever said that i was excluded from grammar comments due to my lack of capitalization, oh you are so, so wrong my friend. i think it looks better and has a better feel without capitalization. besides, that way, when i'm proving someone wrong (sometimes), being completely condescending to them (often), or just outright saying something far more intelligent than what they said (always) it tones down the hint of arrogance. just a bit. maybe. and at the same time, for some, it kind of has that quality of "f you, i can write without any regard to my capitalization, yet still use (near) perfect grammar and make a better point."

haha now that you've made me analyze my reasoning for what actually probably amounts to nothing more than laziness to use the shift key, i'm sticking to my argument.

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This is a superb rationalization for the same kind of laziness that causes people to use incorrect spelling and grammar.

[bwana devil]

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I can't be arsed to read this whole thread, but has anyone brought up the "____ and I" problem that 99.999999995% of America seems to have? It's not always "____ and I." For instance, "my mom had two cookies left, so she gave them to my sister and I" just sounds incredibly retarded. It's "my mom had two cookies left, so she gave them to my sister and me." "My sister and I ate the cookies." It's not that difficult. Just take the "___ and" part out of the sentence, think about whether you'd say "I" or "me" and then use whichever you would use without the other person being mentioned. You wouldn't say "my mom gave I a cookie."

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i had a girlfriend who did not understand this concept. she was canadian w/ her PhD and had only recently moved to texas. she thought she spoke so proper because she was canadian and she was in backwoods texas and thought we all sounded like hillbillies.

she tried to correct me on this rule. i showed her grammar rule books, text, and she called her father who was an english teacher who all confirmed what i told her. she still insisted she was right.

[fslexcduck]

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This is a superb rationalization for the same kind of laziness that causes people to use incorrect spelling and grammar.

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that's complete and utter BS. using incorrect grammar makes you look like an uneducated moron and most people do it because they don't know any better. do you think i don't know that i'm supposed to capitalize the first letter of my sentences? you're absolutely wrong on this one drew.