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03-05-2007, 01:24 AM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix. Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing. Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it. If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something. [/ QUOTE ] Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone. When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was. [/ QUOTE ] You're failing to even acknowledge that Page is 100x the composer that Hendrix was. I'm sorry, but musically speaking, Page was a "better guitarist". [/ QUOTE ] Maybe in your opinion. The rest of the world and a heck of a lot of great guitar players seem to differ with you. I guess we'll have to just leave it at that and agree to disagree. [/ QUOTE ] If you are saying that the rest of the world thinks Hendrix was a better composer with the guitar than was Page, we'd probably have a lot of other things to disagree about. Like what 2+2 equals, what color the sky is...etc. Seriously though, it really doesn't matter. Somebody starts a thread saying nobody is close to Hendrix..I'm going to throw a vote in for my boy. I suppose I was out of line. [/ QUOTE ] I was talking about better guitarist. I'm a huge Zeppelin fan btw. Easily in my top 5. But you've got to be able to admit that on most lists Jimi will always be listed #1. We all have our personal favorites and mine are always changing and growing as I'm turned on to new stuff, but in this discussion it will always be Hendrix vs. the rest. [/ QUOTE ] OK, OK, you win..Hendrix is the best. 
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#102
03-05-2007, 01:29 AM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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[ QUOTE ] In all these types of threads, in this same discussion time after time...I'm always really disappointed by the lack of love that Duane Allman receives... Rolling Stone recently did a top 100 of all time. Allman was #2 (after Jimi). Personally, I like Allman even better, but there's no denying Jimi's talent. The fact that he's not even been mentioned in this thread though is really unfortunate. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Since you are an Allman fan, have you seen or heard Derek Trucks? He's absolutely incredible and in my opinion is a legitimate candidate for any top 5 greatest guitarist list of all time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FlOJXL4j6k [/ QUOTE ] Do I know Derek? Sheeit...I've seen him a couple times, and definitely follow the Allmans recent stuff....I'm actually hoping to see him at this blues on the hill thing in DC in a month or two...should be great... But anyway, you're right, Derek will be one of the best ever by the time he's old enough to receive an award like that... (I got his autograph after a concert in MA for my younger brother, who's quite the guitar prodigy himself. He was one of the nicest performers I've ever met.) BTW, that solo on rockin horse, is awesome...the chromatics he just pulls out of nowhere are great.... also, if you like his playing, please tell me you've seen the don't keep me wonderin solo off this same beacon dvd? If you have, then you need to check out Duane's original solo on this...its just amazing...seriously, pm me if you haven't heard it...
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#103
03-05-2007, 02:33 AM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I put both Page and Clapton above Hendrix. Page was better at: Composing, performing, showmanship, soloing, changing gears, and better with the acoustic, and bow-playing. Hendrix was great at what he did, I'll admit, but he had many less dimensions than did Page. Most great guitarists just say Hendrix was the bomb and better than them because he a) is dead b) was American and c) was black. That's right I said it. If the grim reaper showed up and said I have to pick a guitarist to compose and perform a good enough rock song to keep me alive, I'd pick Page everytime over Hendrix. Unless the reaper was wearing a Mariners hat or something. [/ QUOTE ] Jesus Christ you're retarded. Both for putting Clapton above Hendrix and for bringing race into this. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how you could say Page was better at performing or showmanship than Hendrix. Not that they should even matter as far as who's a better player is concerned, but Hendrix was such a great showman that near the end he started to just stand still at the mic and play, self-consciously thinking people were coming to see his stage antics, setting the guitar on fire, playing behind his back and with his teeth etc. instead of coming for the music. The Monterey performance already mentioned instantly put him on the map and he just plain blew everbody away. The Who, who weren't too shabby in the showmanship category refused to follow Hendrix at Monterey (and he was all but unknown but they knew him from England) because they knew he would steal the show. I think The Dead had the misfortune of playing between them and by most accounts they played a hot set but they went largely forgotten for the Monterey gig. Hendrix stole the show As far as soloing goes I'd submit the solo for Machine Gun recorded at The Fillmore on New Years eve '69 as one of the best ever by anyone. When I think of Page I think of a great guitarist in an even greater band. With Hendrix all that goes out the window and he stands alone as the best there ever was. [/ QUOTE ] You're failing to even acknowledge that Page is 100x the composer that Hendrix was. I'm sorry, but musically speaking, Page was a "better guitarist". [/ QUOTE ] Maybe in your opinion. The rest of the world and a heck of a lot of great guitar players seem to differ with you. I guess we'll have to just leave it at that and agree to disagree. [/ QUOTE ] If you are saying that the rest of the world thinks Hendrix was a better composer with the guitar than was Page, we'd probably have a lot of other things to disagree about. Like what 2+2 equals, what color the sky is...etc. Seriously though, it really doesn't matter. Somebody starts a thread saying nobody is close to Hendrix..I'm going to throw a vote in for my boy. I suppose I was out of line. [/ QUOTE ] I was talking about better guitarist. I'm a huge Zeppelin fan btw. Easily in my top 5. But you've got to be able to admit that on most lists Jimi will always be listed #1. We all have our personal favorites and mine are always changing and growing as I'm turned on to new stuff, but in this discussion it will always be Hendrix vs. the rest. [/ QUOTE ] OK, OK, you win..Hendrix is the best. [/ QUOTE ] We're both huge Zep fans and I usually disagree with your musical opinions. Is that weird or what?
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#104
03-05-2007, 04:17 AM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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I was talking about better guitarist. I'm a huge Zeppelin fan btw. Easily in my top 5. But you've got to be able to admit that on most lists Jimi will always be listed #1. We all have our personal favorites and mine are always changing and growing as I'm turned on to new stuff, but in this discussion it will always be Hendrix vs. the rest. [/ QUOTE ] I'm almost certain that the primary reason why rock journalists and other guitarists revere Hendrix so much is because of what he brought to rock 'n' roll, i.e. his "sound." But if it's a matter of virtuosity and technical skill I could argue all day that Page was better, at least based on their widely distributed recordings. Both players based their lead work on blues scales and licks, but Page's leads (and I mean his actual fretting) found their way outside of those familiar motifs more frequently than did Hendrix's. Also, I've never heard a Hendrix solo that contained as many lightning-fast notes as Page's more intense offerings. So regarding who could play the fastest I give that one to Page as well. Again, I haven't heard all of Hendrix's work, so on this one I could be mistaken. In short, if you mean by better guitar player who is the most technically impressive, or who can play the fastest, or who has the most range, Page can match up with Hendrix all day long. Now, if by better guitar player you mean which one has more soul, or which one was most impressive to listen to based on his overall approach to the instrument, there's no way to objectively evaluate it. Once a certain skill level is reached the argument comes down to taste. But please don't tell us as if it's a matter of fact that in a discussion of great guitarists it comes down to Hendrix versus all the rest. I don't accept this as a matter of fact, and I don't recognize any authority that could force me to concede that it ever will be. Ok more more factoid: The last time I saw a Guitar Player magazine ranking of the 100 top guitar soloes, Page had the #1 spot. Food for thought.
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#105
03-05-2007, 10:41 AM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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Ok more more factoid: The last time I saw a Guitar Player magazine ranking of the 100 top guitar soloes, Page had the #1 spot. Food for thought. [/ QUOTE ] Dilz...you made a great argument until this part. lol. Who cares who has the best solo? There is a lot of variance in that. And besides, Stairway isn't even Page's best solo, IMO. It's just revered as "quintessential". The argument you put forth was good though.
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#106
03-05-2007, 11:32 AM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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#107
03-05-2007, 01:48 PM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
Listen to Bron-Y-Aur, then tell me Hendrix ever wrote or played something as amazing as that song. Hendrix changed the face of rock, but he was hardly the greatest guitarist of all time.
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#108
03-05-2007, 01:51 PM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
arguing who is "best" is pretty futile----i would say this: hendrix created a new way hearing the instrument ("the sound" as others have said). i think of him like miles, bird or trane. listen to tv soundtracks---esp dick wolf prods- and listen to how mike post has the musicians use the above artist's sound. he also uses neil young's sound a lot (re: the law and order theme). i saw all that have been discussed except jimmy page at least once. i remember hendrix the most vividly, but that was because of "that sound"....................b
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#109
03-05-2007, 01:55 PM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
SRV is up there, and is as good as Jimi IMO
Best Underrated (unknown) Guitar Player: Jake Cinninger from Umphrey's McGee
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#110
03-05-2007, 03:26 PM
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Re: Is there even a close second to Jimi Hendrix?
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SRV is up there, and is as good as Jimi IMO Best Underrated (unknown) Guitar Player: Jake Cinninger from Umphrey's McGee [/ QUOTE ] BANG BANG! BB is no slouch either!! In the underrated category , how come no mention for... Keller Williams?
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