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check/call 1 8.33%
bet/call 5 41.67%
bet/3b 5 41.67%
check/raise 1 8.33%
bet/fold (NITS) 0 0%
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  #1081  
Old 09-24-2007, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. tag 3bet pf

Devin,

It's like he's got a huge range and he's folding almost none of it and your equity is close to 50%. Maybe it's a tough spot cause it really doesn't matter if you bet or not.
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. tag 3bet pf

i told him check/call on AIM fwiw
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. tag 3bet pf

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i told him check/call on AIM fwiw

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I think it is difficult to pick one action over the other in this case. b/f, c/c, c/f etc all have merit. My pref is to lead the turn, although I can see c/c as a viable option as well.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. tag 3bet pf

The issue with betting is getting raised sucks when you do have TPGK with the Js.

Edit: It is also very difficult to get a worse hand to call you here. Maybe KsQ.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. tag 3bet pf

if you bet, i doubt that villain is calling with a worse ace very often. the flush draw came on the turn, and of the villain's pre-flop and flop calling range, i can't imagine him calling a 2nd barrell again.

it is feasible for villain to have somehting like KK or A5, and a hand like that is only going to pay you off if you let them take the initative in the hand. i think if you second barrell, you'll get all the worse hands to fold, and all the better hands to call (sets, two-pairs etc., aren't going to fold).


if you check call, you get some value out of worse hands, and also reduce the amount of money you lose if you're behind (to a flush, a set, two pair, or AK) since they'll sometimes check behind.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:57 AM
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Default Re: QQ vs. tag 3bet pf

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The issue with betting is getting raised sucks when you do have TPGK with the Js.

Edit: It is also very difficult to get a worse hand to call you here. Maybe KsQ.

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Yeah, I don't see much point to betting, better hands aren't going away and worse hands aren't calling. So check/call with a SF out ZOMG.
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default River bluff?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($33.30)
Button ($23.75)
SB ($35.15)
BB ($24.65)
Hero ($46.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($5.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain bets $2, Hero raises to $9...

Thoughts?
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: River bluff?

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($33.30)
Button ($23.75)
SB ($35.15)
BB ($24.65)
Hero ($46.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($5.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain bets $2, Hero raises to $9...

Thoughts?

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I don't hate it b/c people always put you on AK. flush missed and lots of villans donk bet the river here with any random crap they float with.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: River bluff?

Scuba,

I like it.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:51 PM
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Scuba,

I like it.

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Yeah, his bet is super-weak, put him to the test. If he trapped you, oh well.
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