ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Jbrochu]

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-Dozens if not hundreds of never-will-bes have crawled out of the woodwork to express their jealousy-fueled happiness that ZJ 'got what he deserved', despite the fact that his actions never affected them in any way and the never-will-bes don't really understand the effects of ZJ's actions.

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This is wonderfully ironic coming from someone with 9 posts. BTW - most of us think he got what he deserved because he's a cheater, not due to jealousy.

[el capitan]

I got your back ZJ

[THEOSU]

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This is stunning.

Shane, I feel you here. I am neither surprised nor disappointed that people are "going after" multi accounters. It is something that needs to be done to clean up this community, particularly at a time when it seems our livelihood/recreation/whatever may be in jeopardy.

It's equally stunning to me that people are up in arms at Shane for not ratting, snitching, informing the authorities - whatever verb you're keen on using. Shane was told something in confidence and was trusted to keep it in confidence. So what you're doing here is throwing stones at Shane for keeping his word. That's ludicrous.

A man is as good as his word.

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I feel for shane and curtains too, because I would probably behave just like they did, and not sound the alarm. I think I would be wrong not to do it, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't rat anyone out.

Regardless, at some point:

"Shane was told something in confidence and was trusted to keep it in confidence."

This is a standard that is almost untenable. Imagine someone told you "in confidence" they were going to blow up a building tomorrow, with lots of people inside. It would be morally reprehensible if you kept such a thing a secret. I assume we can all agree on this. "Keeping a secret", "upholding your word", etc. can never be at the top of an ethical heirarchy.

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Well, yeah, ok, but can we not agree that in a grand sense mutli tabling MTTs < a man's word < national safety? At least those of us who don't have George Bush as our avatar?

[El Diablo]

ackbleh: Another excellent post from you. I hope you decide to be a more regular contributor at 2+2. However, I think you underestimate the number of times this will result in very favorable opportunities for someone like ZJ entering SIX HORSES in the volume of tourneys he plays. sirio posted some very interesting numbers on that topic.

BT and others: I disagree that shane's situation is so cut-and-dried. I am not sure that I agree w/ all of his positions, but I surely respect his position regarding snitching on his friends and betraying confidences, and I most definitely think that he is confronted with a very tough moral decision here.

All: As I've said before, I think it is very naive to think that ZJ, who was willing to break the rules when that made him money, did not take advantage of the really profitable situations that resulted from his breaking of those rules.

[curtains]

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-Dozens if not hundreds of never-will-bes have crawled out of the woodwork to express their jealousy-fueled happiness that ZJ 'got what he deserved', despite the fact that his actions never affected them in any way and the never-will-bes don't really understand the effects of ZJ's actions.

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This is wonderfully ironic coming from someone with 9 posts. BTW - most of us think he got what he deserved because he's a cheater, not due to jealousy.

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lol yeah who is this ackbleh guy anyway. Way to take one sentence out of his post and ignore all the rest. Most serious poker players know who ackbleh is.

[whiskeytown]

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3) Where does that leave us? Let your voice be known. Let the sites know that you are AWARE that you are being cheated by those using multiple accounts, and that you are AWARE the issue is not one that is predominantly confined to MTTs. Demand that they either take action to prevent you from being cheated or allow you the same ability to obtain anonymity to level the playing field. We have a unique opportunity while sites have some focus on the multiple-account issue to point out the depth of the problem. Don't let it pass by.

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I've also begun the process of air'ing the story to mainstream news outlets, either thru personal friends or submissions to News sites - I hope to introduce the concept of "Slashdotting" to 2+2 shortly [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

yes, it's our dirty laundry, but it's gotta be aired, and obviously, if it stays within the poker forum, there are enough "supporters" of guys who cheat like this that nothing will ever get done -

let's get some serious laundry cleaning done.

RB

[shaniac]

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for all the people who wouldn't tell party about the cheaters they knew, would you at least tell the player "I know you are cheating, I want you to stop it, and if you ever do it again I will report you to party"?

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How bout it boys? A reasonable alternative has been laid before you. Or are you too cowardly yet or too fond of having the confidence of crooks and cheats to even do that?

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Ummmm....NO!

I don't issue ultimatums to my friends that involve destroying their lives and their trust for me. I politely state my disagreement and let them decide for themselves what the correct thing is to do.

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LOL

I think it is pretty obvious what the correct thing to do is! the hypothetical friend is just too greedy and weak to face facts, and you are letting him get away with it.

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reponse?

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Um, I think I've responded adequately elswehre but for the record, one more time: I never have, nor will I ever, consider it my place to be the arbiter of morals nor the police chief of online poker players. I'll take responsibility for not recognizing earlier how blatantly unethical it is, but beyond that my conscience is clear.

[bugstud]

I think we'd all like it if you post more.

Also, pretty much everything you said was spot in all respects, except that I think that extra accounts in mtts is profitable. Anyone with a good roi doesn't hurt it by entering more tourneys, and I would imagine for skilled players those massive field events are by far the most +EV.

[young Nut]

Can't believe no one brought up this picture yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if ZJ was this guys brother. They both certianly know how to un-apologetically apologize. Seems ZJ is taking his public speaking lessons from the wrong person.

[bugstud]

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-Dozens if not hundreds of never-will-bes have crawled out of the woodwork to express their jealousy-fueled happiness that ZJ 'got what he deserved', despite the fact that his actions never affected them in any way and the never-will-bes don't really understand the effects of ZJ's actions.

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This is wonderfully ironic coming from someone with 9 posts. BTW - most of us think he got what he deserved because he's a cheater, not due to jealousy.

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