32K pot against Bld with 8 high? toughest decision I've ever had!

[MYNAMEIZGREG]

If you guys are getting all wrapped up on the timing "tell" here, I think one could make the argument that Sam could be running down the time purposely if he had the nuts. Bld knows Sam won't usually do this with the goods, and Sam knows Bld knows this. Therefore, Sam is doing it purposely, and Bld figures this out and folds because of the timer. So, IMO, it's a moot point. I think both players can think this high.

[amoeba]

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Your loose calls are predicated on the assumption that if u do hit the straight you can take all his chips (if he has a set). And yet now you're saying there's a fair chance he will fold a set if you bluff? Slight logical inconsistency here. If he folds here then why he isnt he also folding when you hit the straight? Or does he conveniently call when you have a hand?

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because when the straight hits there are less likely oversets?

[Scuba Chuck]

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not out of the question (and I did consider that)

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Sam, I too enjoy your posts, for all the reasons given by others.

I also enjoy that you give responses to so many of the queries. If possible, it would be nice if you learned to use the "quote" link (which is right next to the "reply" link) so that I can tell who you are responding to. When using the quote link, it will populate the post like mine above showing what you are responding to. Thanks in advance.

[MilkMan]

Sam,
Forgive me if I'm wrong but may I point out one slight inconsistency in your thinking in this hand. You take a relatively expensive draw on the flop and turn because of what you believe are the implied odds **I am dreaming of my soon-to-be 39K stack when my straight hits** in other words you are pretty sure you will stack BLD if a 9 or 4 hits. On the river the A shows up (which does complete a possible straight draw). And now you think he might fold his set? I understand the new possibility of specifically repping AAA, but has BLD's situation really changed so much that you can justify reversing your previously held belief during the hand that hitting the straight meant BLD would go broke here?

edit: doh just noticed masquerade made the same point about ten lines up [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[luckychewy]

If he makes the straight he might not shove, so $39K stack is probably a bit off.

[samoleus]

Masquerade, it is not inconsistent at all. The operative point is that it was specifically an ace on the river. I would not dream of bluffing on any other card. I have played this hand very similarly to how I might have played AA.

[samoleus]

Milk Man, this thougth only crossed my mind because an ace hit the river. I have played this hand very similarly (if not identically) to how I might play AA. I would not think of bluffing any other card.

[samoleus]

If I make the straight, BLD leads for 3800 and I do shove (or close to it for the extra 9).

[samoleus]

superb post MDMA. I can call the turn with AA and fold to one more river bet, as Bld will give up on a lot of bluffs after I call the turn.

[Marnixvdb]

It seems that the biggest disadvantage of running your timer down in this situation, is that it gives Bld extra time to rethink his reaction to a raise.

This weakens the potential of your raise.