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#91
03-24-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
villian isn't letting you lose 89% of your stack here...he's pushing no matter what u do if u don't fold
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#92
03-24-2006, 05:44 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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[ QUOTE ] Limp calling makes my stomach turn. I guess if you have a lot of gamble in you, like the guy that bet 5 grand that he can keep a 20% ROI at the 215's, it's ok. [/ QUOTE ] More like if you have even a tiny amount of gamble in you. QQ just utterly annihilates a random hand here. If the big stack has really been a true spaz, then there's nothing to worry about. Open folding is clearly terrible. Calling and folding to a push over the top isn't terrible but I don't think I'd do it. Pushing and limp-calling seem about the same to me, and I think limp-calling may even be preferable if it widens the range you get pushed over to include the hands that you're smashing into the ground instead of merely a lot of 3 outers. [/ QUOTE ] Well have fun when he pushes and you finish OOTM 20% of the time.
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#93
03-24-2006, 05:47 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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Well have fun when he pushes and you finish OOTM 20% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] You mean 3rd. You're also neglecting the substantial increase in my chance of getting 1st in this way.
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#94
03-24-2006, 05:48 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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THis isn;t life or death, it's just poker. [/ QUOTE ] haha, that'll be my new line when I offer bad advice (I said "when" not "if"). Just kidding Seriously though, I don't think pushing is horrendous, I just wouldn't.
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#95
03-24-2006, 05:57 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
Results not withstanding; I still like my line of min-raising / fold to a push. I'm trying very hard to find a better option but I can't find one.
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#96
03-24-2006, 05:58 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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Results not withstanding; I still like my line of min-raising / fold to a push. I'm trying very hard to fine a better option but I can't find one. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, calling...
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#97
03-24-2006, 06:02 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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[ QUOTE ] Results not withstanding; I still like my line of min-raising / fold to a push. I'm trying very hard to fine a better option but I can't find one. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, calling... [/ QUOTE ] OK, as long as we're sure BB is absent from the game and not auto-folding... that's fine.
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#98
03-24-2006, 06:02 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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Results not withstanding; I still like my line of min-raising / fold to a push. I'm trying very hard to find a better option but I can't find one. [/ QUOTE ] Calling/folding to a push is better than min-raising/folding to a push. Given OP's read, SB is gonna push no matter what when you enter the pot, so by limping you ensure that the BB loses his BB and you save 200 chips.
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#99
03-24-2006, 06:19 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Results not withstanding; I still like my line of min-raising / fold to a push. I'm trying very hard to fine a better option but I can't find one. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, calling... [/ QUOTE ] OK, as long as we're sure BB is absent from the game and not auto-folding... that's fine. [/ QUOTE ] yeah its sure.
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#100
03-24-2006, 06:22 PM
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Re: Sometimes SNGs aren\'t poker: Open-Folding QQ 3-Handed?
OK, here's what I'm doing if I'm the villian.
If you fold, I fold to keep shorty alive. Then I open push next hand because you can't call from the BB. Then, from the BB, if you limp or raise standard I push from BB (again, you cannot call). Now, we're back to the original table position, except with different stacks. Hero (t2695) SB (t5975) BB (t330) Of course, the above is the situation where Hero simply folds every time, costing him the least amount of money possible. If Hero ever called, standard raised, he'd have less. If this continues, hero will lose 300 chips/orbit to me until he takes a stand. Given this, open limping is much better for hero (and obviously better than a standard raise since I will be pushing any two), since in that case the chip stacks will look like this one orbit later. Hero (t2495) SB (t6075) BB (t30) This is clearly a better situation, since BB will be eliminated this hand (this is stars remember, so he doesn't get a showdown). At this point, you can start playing normal HU poker against the big stack. So obviously Calling >> Folding. Now, if you instead push this hand, I'm not going to call you with a wide range. Your range here for pushing is very small since you're pushing such a big stack. I can cause you to lose quite a bit of equity if I want to spite call you, but then I lose quite a bit of equity myself. Since I'm not Johnny Beef, I'm not spite calling you here just to cost you equity. From my standpoint, a call is only profitable if it's +cEV to me, so I'm not going to have a hand frequently enough to call you where I would believe it's +cEV for me (I will believe that you're pushing a range like TT+, AK, AQs+) here, so I really need at least QQ to call. Therefore Pushing >> Calling QED. Corollary: Hero should limp/fold the vast majority of his hands here.
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