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#91
11-08-2005, 03:32 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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Isn't it the government's money to begin with? "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's" and that whole thing. [/ QUOTE ] So you don't believe in private property? [ QUOTE ] So, in the AC society, who's responsible for minting the cash? [/ QUOTE ] Whoever wants to. Money is just a commodity like anything else. It just happens to be a particular commodity that people agree to use for transactions. Without government interference, it's likely that gold would become the standard money, and anyone that can mine it out of the ground can make coins out of it. |
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11-08-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't it the government's money to begin with? "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's" and that whole thing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you don't believe in private property? [/ QUOTE ] That's a bit of a mischaracterization of what I said. And I'm sure you're bright enough to tell the difference, so I'm not going to insult you by giving you an explanation that is fit for a 5 year old. |
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11-08-2005, 03:42 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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[ QUOTE ] Again, nobody disputes that government funding has produced results. That *still* does not prove that it's the *best* method. You don't see how I can say private funding would be better? I posted a detailed argument about how private funding is better in efficiency, objectivity, and morality. Can you at least offer a counter argument before demanding more? [/ QUOTE ] Where? [/ QUOTE ] Here. [ QUOTE ] All you keep doing is saying that I haven't proven that the current way is better than your fantasy land. Like I said to boro, I think it's up to you to prove the advantages of your system. [/ QUOTE ] Nothing new can be better than the status quo. An interesting default stance for a self-proclaimed "scientist." The "proof" you seek to prove that one system is better than another would probably not convince you, because you already have a fixed idea of what is "better". The thing is, your personal idea of what's "adequate" funding or "better" results is immaterial. Government funding very well might produce more raw output than a 100% privately-funded system. But guess what? If that were the case, it would merely show that the government system was wasting resources on things that people might use, but don't necessarily value more than other things that could have been done with those resources. Sure, scientists love it because it's "better" - they get to keep working on whatever they want without having to subject their work to the judgement of the market. |
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#95
11-08-2005, 03:45 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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[ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't it the government's money to begin with? "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's" and that whole thing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you don't believe in private property? [/ QUOTE ] That's a bit of a mischaracterization of what I said. And I'm sure you're bright enough to tell the difference, so I'm not going to insult you by giving you an explanation that is fit for a 5 year old. [/ QUOTE ] Well, it's NOT the government's money, it's mine. I don't know what other explanation there could be for your question. Are your shoes the property of the Nike corporation? |
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#96
11-08-2005, 03:45 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
I did edit my post to say "based on my views on profit-based science" - but i dind't make it in time, sorry.
In a nutshell, besides one of my original points that apllied science will always be more profitable than basic (this really should not be overlooked), we are currently having problems with the research performed by several of the major drug companies because they are preventing full access to the data - even to the people that originally ran the experiments. Many people believe that is because of the fact that some of the data is contradictory to earlier findings or in some other ways may hurt the bottom line. Also, they certainly keep some data under wraps because it's proprietary. That definitely goes against the free exchange of ideas I was talking about earlier. How would we prevent this? The free exchange of ideas is essential to good science. To use my favorite example, neuroscience has progressed far beyond where one person can work on many of the problems that are currently being researched. I have collaborations with a number of other scientists around the world. In my grants it states as a result of me being funded that my findings must be made freely available. And this is one of the major philisophical differences I was talking about. I see science as very different from the marketplace, at least at the basic science level. |
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11-08-2005, 03:51 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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it's NOT the government's money, it's mine. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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11-08-2005, 03:54 PM
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without having to subject their work to the judgement of the market. [/ QUOTE ] I see this as a good thing, you see it as bad. Different strokes. A lot of scientific freedom is that I don't have to justify where my research will make a profit. |
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11-08-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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[ QUOTE ] without having to subject their work to the judgement of the market. [/ QUOTE ] I see this as a good thing, you see it as bad. Different strokes. A lot of scientific freedom is that I don't have to justify where my research will make a profit. [/ QUOTE ] So you are glad that nobody actually values your research except for a few bureaucrats dispersing funds? Essentially, if it were up to the free will of individuals, your life's work would be pointless (should this be the case). It may be demanded by free individuals, however, in which case it would be privately funded. |
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#100
11-08-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] without having to subject their work to the judgement of the market. [/ QUOTE ] I see this as a good thing, you see it as bad. Different strokes. A lot of scientific freedom is that I don't have to justify where my research will make a profit. [/ QUOTE ] So you are glad that nobody actually values your research except for a few bureaucrats dispersing funds? Essentially, if it were up to the free will of individuals, your life's work would be pointless (should this be the case). It may be demanded by free individuals, however, in which case it would be privately funded. [/ QUOTE ] I guess so. At least this way I get paid. |
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