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#92
09-10-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
people also don't seem to ever add in the FT points system or the iron man when they say the SN stars 30% is better then tilt. At tilt we get the 27% no matter what the points(which are crappy) and the iron man.
When you have held iron man for 13 months you get 400 medals a month for iron man. that translates into another 100$ or so a month if you use it for the bonus. after you take rakeback thats still the 73 dollars. i would guess most people don't generate anuff rake where that 73 would be more then 3% rake for the month to make up the difference not even counting the FT points system. BTW FT iron man system you can get to the 13 months sooner then most casual players will get to supernova. As for the bonus's i believe Tilt crappy bonus' tend to be bigger then stars crappy bonus' even with rakeback taken out. 
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#93
09-10-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
"people also don't seem to ever add in the FT points system or the iron man when they say the SN stars 30% is better then tilt. At tilt we get the 27% no matter what the points(which are crappy) and the iron man.
When you have held iron man for 13 months you get 400 medals a month for iron man. that translates into another 100$ or so a month if you use it for the bonus. after you take rakeback thats still the 73 dollars. i would guess most people don't generate anuff rake where that 73 would be more then 3% rake for the month to make up the difference not even counting the FT points system. BTW FT iron man system you can get to the 13 months sooner then most casual players will get to supernova. As for the bonus's i believe Tilt crappy bonus' tend to be bigger then stars crappy bonus' even with rakeback taken out." You are right jkpoker. For some SN and SNE on Stars they may be better off and obviously for those who can't get RB on FTP there is no argument. However, for the vast majority who get RB you are finacially better off on FTP. Having said the above, I am playing Stars at the moment because of the software and support. It is far superior. This forum however is full of Stars supporters who only see through rose tinted glasses. If you question anything you just get dumb replies about how good the service is. And that is never the question at hand. If people just said yeah I can see your point but I play at Stars because of other reasons that would be fine. I am sure half of the posters don't even read and think of a decent reply. They just see people having a dig at Stars regardless whether it is justified or not. But all you get is flamed for putting another point of view. Flame away guys
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#94
09-10-2007, 04:25 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
"This forum however is full of Stars supporters who only see through rose tinted glasses. If you question anything you just get dumb replies about how good the service is. And that is never the question at hand."
rek - I've never seen what you describe on here. If someone makes a ridiculous slam against Stars and how they don't have RB or how the cards are rigged then some of the Stars supporters do indeed stand up as one might expect. But it's only because of the ridiculousness of the accusations. But other almost trivial issues where people feel Stars could use improvement are discussed and whined about almost constantly even by their most avid supporters. I am obviously an avid supporter of Stars. But I am also one of the whiniest-bitchyest people on here about some of the stuff I don't like about Stars or think they could do better. So I take offense to the notion that I am somehow a blind cheerleader. I even mentioned in a previous thread that the lack of incentive between 500k to 750k VPP's had me considering the possibility of taking off for another site for the rest of the year. In the end, I decided I am not going to do that but only because I SHOULD be able to make it to 750k. But it was still a decision to be made and I also said I don't blame anyone else who decides to take advantage of that opportunity to check out other sites if you are pretty sure you won't make it to 750k. It's likely that Stars would very much like me to keep my trap shut about some of these things I have said. Regarding the ironman argument: I knew the program existed but don't know enough about how it works so couldn't really include it in the comparison. If it's true that you get roughly $73/mth in value after holding ironman for a few mths then I think one needs to measure it with the Stars weekly freerolls which are about $250+/mth in value and is not deducted from your RB. The biggest difference is that you can't cash-out your freeroll entries on Stars which can obviously be an annoyance. You either play the freeroll each week or you lose that value. So if playing them every single week is something you aren't going to do then the Stars freeroll value could end up being less than the convenience of being able to cash-out your freeroll entries for Iron-Man Medals on FT.
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#95
09-10-2007, 04:38 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
The freerolls on Stars are one of the major reasons I don't focus my play there. There's so much value in those tourneys that I can't take advantage of because I have a wife and kid and can't spend all day Saturday playing tourneys. Why waste my time earning $3k worth of equity in those tourneys that I have no choice but to forfeit?
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#96
09-10-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
I missed getting my FTP account switched over to rakeback by less than a day. I found about about the possibility of doing so and inquired as soon as I knew it was possible, but that wasn't soon enough, unfortunately. My inquiries were met with, "Well, if you'd asked us yesterday, we could have done something."
I play enough that it would be a fairly close decision for me if I were getting rakeback. As it stands, I've transferred all of my play over to Stars and I have no doubt it was the right decision. Gave me an excuse to cash out a bit and buy do some fun things with my poker winnings instead of just grinding a bigger roll, too, which was kinda nice. Rebuilding my roll on Stars has been a positive experience, too, really. It was interesting starting small and grinding up the limits again.
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#97
09-10-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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This forum however is full of Stars supporters who only see through rose tinted glasses. If you question anything you just get dumb replies about how good the service is. And that is never the question at hand. [/ QUOTE ] You must be reading a different forum than the rest of us. What I see are people like myself and microbob who are willing to sit down and do the actual math. What I see are regular posts about people's accounts getting locked at FTP, software problems (ie: lag) at FTP, and it then being impossible to get any responce from FTP support. And you've obviously missed seeing all the times people like myself have been whining at Stars for improvements. Like an auto-reload function that doesn't just min-reload, a reload button, making it easier to join and leave tables without having to make 37 clicks. etc.
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#98
09-10-2007, 05:55 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
[ QUOTE ]
people also don't seem to ever add in the FT points system or the iron man when they say the SN stars 30% is better then tilt. At tilt we get the 27% no matter what the points(which are crappy) and the iron man. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, however, we haven't really been counting Stars VIP freerolls or the milestone bonuses. At best it's a wash. At worst Stars comes out ahead. Again. [ QUOTE ] When you have held iron man for 13 months you get 400 medals a month for iron man. that translates into another 100$ or so a month if you use it for the bonus. after you take rakeback thats still the 73 dollars. [/ QUOTE ] $73x12 months=$876. Stars first milestone bonus is $2000. The weekly value for a Supernova in VIP freerolls is somewhere around $75. ($50K weekly had 872 players last week, $20K weekly had 2866 last week, Monthly $100K usually has around 1K players). $75x52=$3900. [ QUOTE ] BTW FT iron man system you can get to the 13 months sooner then most casual players will get to supernova. [/ QUOTE ] No, that's impossible. The longest it can take to get Supernova is 12 months. You'd never get it in 13 months, the "clock" is reset. Playing 12-tables of $100NL for 25-30 hours a week it takes me 3-4 months to hit Supernova. That's an awful lot less than 13.
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#99
09-10-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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Having said the above, I am playing Stars at the moment because of the software and support. It is far superior. [/ QUOTE ] Here's my question to you...why Stars OR FT? It always surprises me that non-Americans play at either one, what with all of the softer players and better bonuses at other sites. Of course, I'm just a low limit 1-4 tabler, so table selection isn't as much of a factor for me as it might be for others.
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