Grammar vs. Grammer

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

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Please, add to this list... Sticky it... Next time somebody makes a 2nd grade English error, point them here...

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Point him here.

[punkass]

And how the hell do people confuse "by" and "buy"?

[daryn]

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fluffpop you're wrong about irregardless. it sucks but sometimes enough morons are incorrect that they change the rule. irregardless is a word.

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True, but it shouldn't be.

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ok.. so why say it isn't a word when you know it is?

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because it only became a word through widespread and consistent misuse?

edit: wait damn, fluffpop hadn't replied yet when i first started to make this post. now i look foolish

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who cares? i AGREE WITH YOU. if you read my earlier post you'd realize that. but it IS a word. to say it is not a word is incorrect.

[Kimbell175113]

Hyachachachach we know exactly what you're saying, Daryn. "Irregardless" is a word, but it has the same meaning as - yet is strictly worse than - "regardless." Therefore, there is never a reason to use it, and therefore, when someone does, he defines himself as a moran. Can we agree on that?

I use "gonna" all the time. It's shorter, has a different feel, etc., than "going to." There are many examples of things like this, and I am perfectly fine with them. "Irregardless" has zero advantages to compensate for that extra syllable. In fact it has disadvantages. It are dumb, QED.

And yeah, I know you know.

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I am a nit when it comes to grammar, but I usually do not say anything about it because it is generally not appreciated and just makes me look like an ass. However, since it is the topic of this thread, here are a few things that irritate me when I hear or read them. Some have been mentioned already but not explained (for the rare few who are reading this thread and are actually interested in improving their speech).

- For Christ's sake: The proper term is "for Christ's sake" not "for Christ sakes". The phrase "for Christ's sake" is posessive; it means for the sake of Christ. "For Christ sakes" is meaningless. Christ is not an adjective, and he only has one sake.

- Myself: Myself is a pronoun used as an intensive, as in "I did it myself" or as a reflexive, as in "I love myself". It can also be used to describe you as a state, as in "I was not myself last week". It cannot be used as a cute or intellectual replacement for "me" or "I", as in "Jessica went to the carnival with Greg, Joan, and myself".

- I could care less: The proper phrase is "I could not care less". To say "I could care less" means that you actually do care to some degree. Whenever somebody tells me, "I could care less" I always respond by asking, "How much less could you care?" Of course, they never get it.

- Affect/Effect: The common usage of the word "affect" is a verb. It means "to act on" or "to change". The common usage of the word "effect" is a noun. It means "result". Affect is also a noun, but it means "a feeling or emotion". Effect is also a verb, but it means "to bring about" or "to accomplish".

- Further/Farther: The difference between these two words is that something which is "farther" can be physically measured, while something that is "further" cannot. "I can hit a golf ball twenty yards farther than Steve can." "My psychologist thought we needed to delve further into my problem."

- Fewer/Less: Fewer refers to a smaller amount which can be physically counted. "I have two fewer dollars than Chris." Less refers to a smaller amount which cannot be physically counted. "I have less money than Chris."

- Ambivalence: Ambivalence is an inability to make up one's mind due to an equal desire for two conflicting things. It means to be torn between two decisions. It does not mean that one does not care about either decision. The word to describe that condition is "indifference."

- I got: Got is the past tense of the verb "to get". To get means to acquire or to receive. If you already have something, you cannot get it. Therefore, "I got five dollars" is incorrect. The correct sentence is "I have five dollars."

- Forte: The word is pronounced "fort" not "for-tay". For some reason, people get really defensive about this. They have always heard it pronounced "for-tay" and never "fort" so "for-tay" must be right. It is not. Forte' (pronounced "for-tay") is a word used in music to mean "play loudly". Forte (fort) is also commonly misused in definition. It means "strong point" or "that which somebody does best". It does not mean preference. "Bowling is not my forte" may be a true sentence, but if what you mean is you don't particularly care for bowling, then you used the word incorrectly. A better sentence would be, "Bowling is not my cup of tea".

[SoloAJ]

"Therefore, "I got five dollars" is incorrect. "

Uhh, that sentence can make perfect sense. It just would not have the same meaning as "I have five dollars."

That forte thing is new to me (the pronunciation, not the meaning). I have never heard it misused in meaning.

[daryn]

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Hyachachachach we know exactly what you're saying, Daryn. "Irregardless" is a word, but it has the same meaning as - yet is strictly worse than - "regardless." Therefore, there is never a reason to use it, and therefore, when someone does, he defines himself as a moran. Can we agree on that?

I use "gonna" all the time. It's shorter, has a different feel, etc., than "going to." There are many examples of things like this, and I am perfectly fine with them. "Irregardless" has zero advantages to compensate for that extra syllable. In fact it has disadvantages. It are dumb, QED.

And yeah, I know you know.

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ok cool

is gonna a word? no

is irregardless a word? yes

i was just correcting an obvious error by fluff. when you come into this word and say [censored] like irregardless isn't a word you are gonna hear [censored] from me that's all baby.

[Kimbell175113]

Yeah, you win.

Arguing is fun, though.

[Claunchy]

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Please, add to this list... Sticky it... Next time somebody makes a 2nd grade English error, point them here...

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Point him here.

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DAMMIT I HATE YOU FOR BEATING ME TO THIS

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"Therefore, "I got five dollars" is incorrect. "

Uhh, that sentence can make perfect sense. It just would not have the same meaning as "I have five dollars."


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Correct.