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03-08-2007, 05:50 PM
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[[ QUOTE ] So, again. I would like to see an example of a scarce idea. Not an idea that someone thinks is important and only shares with people under certain circumstances. [/ QUOTE ] 2+2 is a unique scarce idea. forums and poker are not. [/ QUOTE ] 2+2 is an idea? 
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#92
03-08-2007, 05:50 PM
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All thinking being have ideas so in this way ideas are not unique. Some ideas are better or more desirable than others. Not everyone has better or more desirable ideas. This fact alone makes good ideas more scarce than generic ideas. [/ QUOTE ] No, it doesn't. Of course some ideas are better than others. But both types of ideas are non-scarce. I can share a bad idea as easily as a good one. The fact that someone doesn't currently have an idea doesn't make it scarce, either. If it did, your arguement that good ideas are "more scarce" than bad ones would be shot, since there are plenty of bad ideas I'm unware of. [ QUOTE ] Add to this the way the market treats ideas. 1. I have an idea that is unique. 2. I wish to market that idea. 3. I sell you the use of my idea for an agreed upon price and use. [ note that: Ideas aren't milk or cars so I have to sell it in a different way than milk or cars.] [/ QUOTE ] That's because milk and cars are scarce and ideas are not. Your "wish to market that idea" means nothing. An idea you think is marketable is not any more scarce than one you think is not marketable. And from a moral standpoint, your personal subjective opinion is meaningless; it gives you no license to engage in particular behavior, it lends your arguement no weight. [ QUOTE ] Lets use my photography business rather than CDs I might make this easier. Say that Amce Widget Co. wants to make a new ad showcasing a unique widget. They contract with an ad agency to come up with a unique idea. The ad agency contracts with me to create a unique interpretation of this unique idea. ( note that although many people could supply this interpretation they will all be different or unique) The widget belongs to Acme, the ad idea belongs to the agency and the photo idea belongs to me. In the end we all contract with each other to make one whole. Now say that the XYZ Widget Co. Likes this idea and copys it a unique idea that did not exist in that form before has now been stolen along with the time and resources along with the creativity and ingenuity that create such scarce ideas. [/ QUOTE ] Again, all of this depends on what's in those contracts. It has nothing to do with scarcity. I can write a contract that allows my neighbor to smash my car, or I can write one that prohibits him from smashing his own car. These contractual agreements about behavior have nothing to do with the scarcity of cars. Changing the words "rap song" to "photograph" doesn't improve your argument. One more time: please show me how "Oops I Did It Again" is scarce. Allow me to counter-argue before you even begin: "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again" "Oops I Did It Again"
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#93
03-08-2007, 05:51 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Not only does NeBlis not understand what economic scarcity means, he doesn't even understand what "demonstrate" means. [/ QUOTE ] ok demonstrate for me why it is not scarce so that I may better understand your yodaesque flair for explanation. Teach me how to frame my thoughts better. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There is no limit to how many people can have an idea and so ideas cannot, by definition, be scarce. [/ QUOTE ]
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#94
03-08-2007, 05:52 PM
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I am arguing that this contract is inherent in the creation process [/ QUOTE ] OK, argue that then. But I'll go ahead and say that it's pretty clear that this contract isn't inherent, since people license their ideas under all sorts of different contracts, and sometimes under no license or contract at all.
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#95
03-08-2007, 05:54 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [[ QUOTE ] So, again. I would like to see an example of a scarce idea. Not an idea that someone thinks is important and only shares with people under certain circumstances. [/ QUOTE ] 2+2 is a unique scarce idea. forums and poker are not. [/ QUOTE ] 2+2 is an idea? [/ QUOTE ] I'm patenting 4. And suing everyone who is older than three. You're harming me by not paying me royalties; I'm entited to those since I decided to market 4.
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#96
03-08-2007, 05:54 PM
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[ QUOTE ] If the ideas aren't scarce, is the time and resources devoted to creating, recording and reproducing them scarce? [/ QUOTE ] Of course. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't it make sense to protect the value of the time and resources spent on creative works?
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#97
03-08-2007, 05:57 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the ideas aren't scarce, is the time and resources devoted to creating, recording and reproducing them scarce? [/ QUOTE ] Of course. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't it make sense to protect the value of the time and resources spent on creative works? [/ QUOTE ] It might. The individual whose time and resources we're talking about is capable of determining that for himself, presumably. Some people don't want to protect that stuff. For those who do, there are ways of doing so without imposing upon others.
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#98
03-08-2007, 05:59 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the ideas aren't scarce, is the time and resources devoted to creating, recording and reproducing them scarce? [/ QUOTE ] Of course. [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't it make sense to protect the value of the time and resources spent on creative works? [/ QUOTE ] The idea is that people can protect their own valuable time and efforts. I don't feel like helping protect Britney Spears' time and efforts.
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#99
03-08-2007, 06:01 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [[ QUOTE ] So, again. I would like to see an example of a scarce idea. Not an idea that someone thinks is important and only shares with people under certain circumstances. [/ QUOTE ] 2+2 is a unique scarce idea. forums and poker are not. [/ QUOTE ] 2+2 is an idea? [/ QUOTE ] Yep. MM and DS et all had an idea that started with poker and gambling books and has culminated in this mess. These ideas are unique to them and if you and I want to wright books and start websites we can do so but it will not be the same unique scarce idea.
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#100
03-08-2007, 06:01 PM
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All thinking being have ideas so in this way ideas are not unique. Some ideas are better or more desirable than others. Not everyone has better or more desirable ideas. This fact alone makes good ideas more scarce than generic ideas. [/ QUOTE ] Again, you are confusing the dictionary definition of scarcity and the economic definition of scarcity. This is often the first thing you learn in an economics class. Here's an example. A Toyota Corolla is a scarce good in the economic sense, but it is not rare or infrequent in the dictionary sense. You and I cannot both have and use the Corolla. Does that help? The "goodness" or "badness" of an idea has nothing to do with its economic scarcity. Your having the idea (good or bad) does not prevent me from having the same idea. Personally, I'd rather leave contracts out of the discussion as I'm already in agreement with you on that and it just muddies the waters on the issue of whether ideas can be scarce.
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