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03-01-2007, 04:50 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I guess I'm still unclear as to this mentality. Elwood probably brought up the best point, being that the camera may not show the driver in which case the owner of the car has to prove it wasn't him driving. But if the cameras that catch you running a red light can take a picture of the driver, why can't these speedtrap cameras do the same? And if these cameras could take a picture of the driver, how is this any different than a police car hiding with the radar gun out? It seems that most here don't have trouble with the laws regarding the speed limit, so why the reaction to enforcing those laws? For the ACists, pretend that I'm talking about a private road with private enforcement because that would be my ideal scenario. [/ QUOTE ] we don't need government up our rearends raping us like this and we don't need joe private road owner doing this either. This is simply another method of forced tax collection and not public safety in the vast majority of cases. [/ QUOTE ] Collecting taxes (fines) from lawbreakers. Excuse me if I don't show much sympathy for your "right" to break the rules. Why is this so egregious but the highway patrol car on the side of the road with the radar gun is ok? And if that's not ok, is any enforcement of the speed limit ok? [/ QUOTE ] Why is the status quo good for me? Are you afraid that everyone will all of a sudden behave like wild maniacs if we do not have government controlling us? (this is social control plain and simple) Will you all of a sudden drive like a dangerous and reckless person if these camera's are removed and police stop doing speed traps? I won't. 
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03-01-2007, 04:50 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Speed doesn't kill [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, a driver driving at 100 miles an hour is no more likely to lose control than one driving at 10 mile an hour. Not only that, but if they both DO lose control, they'll cause the same amount of damage. [/ QUOTE ] I just took a drivers safety course (thanks speeding tickets), and found out that speed is the #1 factor in determining the likelyhood of a fatality in an accident. This is common sense. If you crash going 35, its very rare someone will be killed. [/ QUOTE ] What they don't tell you in those classes is that a driver going 40 and another going 70 on the same road is more unsafe than all the drivers going 80. It is not in their best interest to tell you that. Again, speed doesn't kill--different speeds kill. If they would enforce who drives in what lane instead of the speed of everyone, we would be much better off. The speed of traffic should be determined by the conditions on the road, not by some arbitrary speed put in there by politicians. Left lane for passing or fast drivers, right lane for slower traffic. If a person is going the speed limit in the left lane and the rest of traffic is going 10-15 mph faster, that driver is more dangerous to himself and others and the people going faster than him. This has been proven in studies, but never gets acknowledged by politicians or insurance companies because it completely contradicts what they have been telling the public
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#93
03-01-2007, 04:55 PM
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This has been proven in studies, but never gets acknowledged by politicians or insurance companies because it completely contradicts what they have been telling the public [/ QUOTE ] You mean the government spreads propaganda??? Say it isn't so!
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#94
03-01-2007, 04:56 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Speed doesn't kill [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, a driver driving at 100 miles an hour is no more likely to lose control than one driving at 10 mile an hour. Not only that, but if they both DO lose control, they'll cause the same amount of damage. [/ QUOTE ] This is a great point! Also, the same applies to planes (they go super fast) and trains too. Lets make it illegal to do anything but walk and we will be way safer, surely you agree. not to mention much much healthier! I'm a genius!
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#96
03-01-2007, 04:58 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I just took a drivers safety course (thanks speeding tickets), and found out that speed is the #1 factor in determining the likelyhood of a fatality in an accident. This is common sense. If you crash going 35, its very rare someone will be killed. [/ QUOTE ] And poker funds terrorism too. [/ QUOTE ] Are you possibly this stupid? Do you realize that two people going 10mph can hit each other in any way and no one will die? If two people going 100mph hit each other (or a wall), a fatality is nearly certain. There is no differential of speed in this case. Slower speeds = fewer fatalities.
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#98
03-01-2007, 05:00 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I just took a drivers safety course (thanks speeding tickets), and found out that speed is the #1 factor in determining the likelyhood of a fatality in an accident. This is common sense. If you crash going 35, its very rare someone will be killed. [/ QUOTE ] And poker funds terrorism too. [/ QUOTE ] Except of course that your statement is false while the other is blatantly obvious. Two cars going 5000 MPH crash and two cars going 1 MPH crash. Who's gonna die? :P
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03-01-2007, 05:00 PM
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Excellent idea! When they crash, it'll be a gentle crash. [/ QUOTE ] We can also make it illegal to be out in public without big fluffy mittens on our hands (no more assault and battery injuries) I should rule the world i'm so smart.
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#100
03-01-2007, 05:03 PM
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What they don't tell you in those classes is that a driver going 40 and another going 70 on the same road is more unsafe than all the drivers going 80. It is not in their best interest to tell you that. Again, speed doesn't kill--different speeds kill. If they would enforce who drives in what lane instead of the speed of everyone, we would be much better off. [/ QUOTE ] And if everyone is going 120mph, thats far more safe than if people are going between 70 and 40mph as well. Or even 200 mph. Because speed plays no factor, just DIFFERENCE in speed. Of course, you can only have a difference in speed if someone is actually going considerably faster than other cars. Tell me the next time you see a fatal wreck not involving a pedestrian, motorcyclist, or bicycle when someone is driving < 50mph.
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