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timex · #91 03-01-2007, 02:50 AM

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WarDekar = Jamie Gold?

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Haha, I only wish... I just don't understand why Jamie gets as much flack as he does as a player. I guess just because he's the most recent to win it, but shouldn't Varkoni and Moneymaker get just as much flack? I can't remember the events exactly, but I seem to recall MM and Varkoni getting a lot more lucky in crucial spots than Jamie did.

I can understand that people hate Gold because of his attitude, but jeeze, at least give the guy SOME credit.

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People who don't like moneymaker are idiots IMO.
Jamie Gold is a huge douchebag.
WTF has varkoni ever done wrong, I don't understand how you can possibly dislike him... thats like worse than disliking Victor Ramdin.

shaniac · #92 03-01-2007, 02:52 AM

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Ugh, for the billionth time--poker is a game that combines both luck and skill. Therefore amateur players--those whom you call "frauds" or others call "jokes" or "donks"--have an established chance of winning. That deprives you of the right to call people who play poker and win big events "frauds"--because it's all part of the game. It's also ridiculous to try to assert that Varkonyi is more of a "fruad" than Gold--any amateur who wins a poker tournament got lucky, did some things right, some things wrong, and played poker. In other words, if it's a fraud when they win, IT'S ALL A FRAUD. Stop saying stupid [censored], thanks.

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Obviously, but I wasn't the one that started that. Someone else said Jamie Gold was an idiot, I countered with calling Varkoni a bigger fraud than Jamie. I see no difference between that and calling Varkoni a fraud.

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Gold noticeably comes off as "idiot" (or "jerk," "douchebag"--take your pick) whereas the term "fraud" bears no relation to Robert V.

WarDekar · #93 03-01-2007, 02:53 AM

For the last time I have nothing against Varkoni.

Clearly Jamie Gold is a douchebag. Clearly Varkoni seems like a nice guy. Neither of those things have anything to do with the fact that I think Jamie is a better player than Varkoni. Therefore, Varkoni is a bigger "fraud" of a poker player than Gold. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

shaniac · #94 03-01-2007, 02:57 AM

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For the last time I have nothing against Varkoni.

Clearly Jamie Gold is a douchebag. Clearly Varkoni seems like a nice guy. Neither of those things have anything to do with the fact that I think Jamie is a better player than Varkoni. Therefore, Varkoni is a bigger "fraud" of a poker player than Gold. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

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Your idea that a true poker player must necessarily have some skill is what's mixing you up. Amateur or unskilled player =/ fraud.

WarDekar · #95 03-01-2007, 03:02 AM

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For the last time I have nothing against Varkoni.

Clearly Jamie Gold is a douchebag. Clearly Varkoni seems like a nice guy. Neither of those things have anything to do with the fact that I think Jamie is a better player than Varkoni. Therefore, Varkoni is a bigger "fraud" of a poker player than Gold. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

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Your idea that a true poker player must necessarily have some skill is what's mixing you up. Amateur or unskilled player =/ fraud.

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Fine, I guess fraud may have been a bad choice of a word. Varkoni doesn't pretend to be a professional poker player, so I suppose he can't be a fraud of a poker player.

Anyway where was this thread before we got derailed? Actually I think it got derailed on post #5 so I guess we're lost now.

Ansky · #96 03-01-2007, 03:20 AM

Look fraud up in the dictionary, cause what you are saying is ridiculous wardekar.

ppl give jamie gold [censored] because not only does he suck, but he talks a lot of [censored] (acts like an [censored]), oh and because he is cheating his backer out of like 6 million dollars.

Varkonyi overall seems like a real nice guy who got really lucky. Good for him and his family.

Moneymaker also seemed really nice from when I met him, and was actually by far the coolest big name pro i have met id say.

WarDekar · #97 03-01-2007, 03:30 AM

I corrected myself and said fraud was a bad choice of a word. I should've said, "Varkoni was a worse player than Gold so I'm not sure why Gold gets called an idiot and Varkoni doesn't"

Sorry. And yes he does seem like a very nice guy, as does Moneymaker.

From the pros I've met I think Hachem seems pretty cool, met him at WSOP 6-handed event last year (he was runner up) and PCA this year and seemed pretty down to earth.

As for Gold, that wasn't his backer, and I doubt you've read the entire story. I'm not sure what the MOST recent update is, but it basically boiled down to the other dude (NOT a backer) didn't want to pay ANY income tax on it since he was not a US citizen. Well unfortunately for him, that's not how it works, and if Gold were to just hand that dude $6mil Gold would make next to nothing (if anything) from his score considering he'd have paid taxes on the entire $12mil.

Other dude needs to realize he has to either take half after taxes, or pay the damn taxes on it like he's supposed to in a split-prize situation, otherwise Gold gets screwed over. And as much as the poker world would love to see that, he at least KIND of deserves the money.

Soulman · #98 03-01-2007, 04:11 AM

Did I stumble into NVG or something?

Ansky · #99 03-01-2007, 04:37 AM

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I corrected myself and said fraud was a bad choice of a word. I should've said, "Varkoni was a worse player than Gold so I'm not sure why Gold gets called an idiot and Varkoni doesn't"

Sorry. And yes he does seem like a very nice guy, as does Moneymaker.

From the pros I've met I think Hachem seems pretty cool, met him at WSOP 6-handed event last year (he was runner up) and PCA this year and seemed pretty down to earth.

As for Gold, that wasn't his backer, and I doubt you've read the entire story. I'm not sure what the MOST recent update is, but it basically boiled down to the other dude (NOT a backer) didn't want to pay ANY income tax on it since he was not a US citizen. Well unfortunately for him, that's not how it works, and if Gold were to just hand that dude $6mil Gold would make next to nothing (if anything) from his score considering he'd have paid taxes on the entire $12mil.

Other dude needs to realize he has to either take half after taxes, or pay the damn taxes on it like he's supposed to in a split-prize situation, otherwise Gold gets screwed over. And as much as the poker world would love to see that, he at least KIND of deserves the money.

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yah yah i know the story i was just trying to paraphrase in 1 word. Aaaand I didn't see that you changed your wording.

Oh and yes, hachem was cool too. He told us about life and stuff in pca.

stevepa · #**100** 03-01-2007, 09:09 AM

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results are often a terrible way to judge the best posters as a lot of very successful players have a shockingly poor understanding of poker

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[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Subtle bash at me?

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Definitely not.You play very very well from what I saw in that second chance in vegas and all your posts I remember reading have been very good. Like ansky said, I was referring to people like Jamie Gold, etc.

Steve