WSEx: Official Thread: January & February. (#5 of 6.)

[stickneymarc]

Changing how rakeback is calculated isn't going to bring new people in. If anybody is sitting around thinking, hey if wsex only calculated rakeback correctly I would give up my 30% or less rakeback I'm currenly getting to go play there for true 100% rakeback rather than a slightly less amount is crazy.

Most recreational players don't know or don't care about rakeback. They want to find a choice of tables easy and competition that isn't full of sharks.

[stickneymarc]

Face it. Wsex is a small site. We are in the minority. We want to play a lot and I would suppose are moderately fair. Most poker player don't come to this site. They don't care about rakeback. They just want to sit in their underwear and play some poker and have fun. They aren't in it to pay the bills. Is wsex 100% rakeback a great idea? Obviously. how much money casual player give away? Huge. Do they care? I really doubt it. Wsex should pull a Bush and stay the course. It takes time. Constant complaining doesn't help. I think affiliates are the way to go. Get them to drive some traffic so that players can see exactly why wsex is the place for cash game players. If I read this monthly thing I would never play there. If I didnt read this I would never know about wsex to play there. So what would the casual player know about wsex? Nothing. Which is exactly what they currently have. Advertising can not be done. Affiliates.

[TheScientist]

Well, since it's been mentioned...what about a .NET?

[DING-DONG YO]

whatever, advertising, affiliates. Just take some money and use it to increase traffic.

[stickneymarc]

When they did not give back rake was traffic higher? I doubt it.

Just take money and use it to increase traffic? I doubt it's that easy. Go to the traffic store and buy some traffic. I make light of things a lot, but there are a lot of sites that are on networks of sites that could use some traffic. Wsex is basically on it's own. They don't have 20 sites driving traffic. It's easy to say get traffic. Business is business and if it were that easy everyone would do it.

[bcblack]

i agree, affiliates are the way to go. For that to work there needs to be money to offer. Give an affiliate 5% for recruiting a player. 95% RB is awesome. Make that chart for all the donkeys we wanna recruit and just tell em approximately how much they will get back per hour per table. Every kid turning 18 that thinks he is smart will give it a try.

[jfk]

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Face it. Wsex is a small site. We are in the minority. We want to play a lot and I would suppose are moderately fair. Most poker player don't come to this site. They don't care about rakeback. They just want to sit in their underwear and play some poker and have fun. They aren't in it to pay the bills. Is wsex 100% rakeback a great idea? Obviously. how much money casual player give away? Huge. Do they care? I really doubt it. Wsex should pull a Bush and stay the course. It takes time. Constant complaining doesn't help. I think affiliates are the way to go. Get them to drive some traffic so that players can see exactly why wsex is the place for cash game players. If I read this monthly thing I would never play there. If I didnt read this I would never know about wsex to play there. So what would the casual player know about wsex? Nothing. Which is exactly what they currently have. Advertising can not be done. Affiliates.

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Very well considered, except the part about the affiliates. It is refreshing to see that the bloodsuckers aren't getting a taste. Players who are aware enough to find an affiliate are aware enough to find WPX on their own. Diminishing the influence of affiliates in this industry is a good thing for players.

[Alobar]

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the tight nits get as much back as the live ones. Thus, there is no incentive to be a live one.

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In a rakeless enviroment more hands are profitable, so there is plenty of incentive.

[TheScientist]

Combining a bunch of ideas here (none original to me) -> Have all the rakeback money go through the Sportsbook before you can withdraw it. Most 2+2ers would probably bet both sides of the line and get something like 80% RB (no clue, really) Give Affiliates the opportunity to get a few % of this sportsbook cut for attracting players. This seems to work for everyone. 100% is nice and all, but like everyone else I'd prefer a sustainable influx of fish, heavier traffic and more game selection.

And one last time...'Land of the never-ending bonus' or 'We pay you to play' or 'Best, Easiest Bonus in Online Poker' appeals to the casual player a lot more than 100% Rakeback.

[Benjamin]

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I don't think changing the rakeback structure will make even the slightest difference in attracting players. In fact, a change might even decrease traffic as many of the TAGs will leave. If the TAGs leave, then traffic decreases and the game will dry even further.

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Changing how rakeback is calculated isn't going to bring new people in.

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I said it will make the games looser, and that existing losers will last longer, not that it will attract new players.

On the other hand, if the games were looser and the losing players lasted longer, then the games would be better and attract more players. So, in a roundabout way, yes, I think it would attract players.

Look, I understand that a bunch of semi-pro and pro TAGs are not going like a policy change that takes money out of their pockets, but the fact of the matter is that if you want looser games, changing to contributed rakeback will help promote that cause.

Whether it will put more money in my or your pocket is another matter entirely, but if WSEX wants to make their poker room more action oriented than tight oriented, this change should be considered.