Fossilman's Account Hacked?

[sekrah]

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If anybody doesnt think that there is a bunch of greed on these 7's part then they are a bit naive.

With player like Hachem involved do you really think its about anything else? They can attempt to spin it however they want but with the timing of this they are completely spitting in the faces of all the other players they pretend to be protecting.

I find it interesting that with half of the 7 on the PPA board that they are taking time away from actually defending poker to fight this nonsense case. If they really cared about the other players and not about lining their own wallets they would be in Washington fighting for the players. Instead they are going to court for some stupid issue.

More likely i think they are tryin to cover themselves in case the online bill passes. If it does they can say bye bye to their endorsements and all that will be left is the WPT for major year round tournaments which if they are people of principle (which i doubt) they will have to avoid them which will cost them even more money.

Seriously if you want to take on the WPT thats fine. But doing it now just makes the 7 look like selfish jerks

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Umm.. Selfish for wanting to protect themselves from being a WPT slave for the rest of their lives?

Donk.

[NicksDad1970]

I respect Daniel as well as Greg. Greg has always taken the time to educate me when I ask him about hands etc.

I don't know much about the lawsuit. Meaning I don't know how it could affect players either way.

The one thing that I think Daniel should have done is gone to the 7 players and asked them about it before going public. I also think the 7 should have gone to the poker community and told them of their intentions. (I don't know that they didn't but DN says he wasn't contacted so I'll assume many more weren't)

Having said all that if the outcome of this lawsuit has a possible severe effect on all poker players then DN certainly has the right to be as vocal about his opinions as anyone else.

I don't think the fact that DN hasn't been to law school should exclude him from being able to voice his opinion. Anyone who cares about poker and this lawsuit should do their own investigating on all parties background to see if the person saying something has the knowledge to comment.

I also think it was pretty cool of Greg to admit he probably shouldn't have made some of the statements that he said.

Both guys are classy IMHO but I think they both could have handled themselves a little differently.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Pair:

I was just going from memory after listening to Negreanu's rant, and of course my ears perked up when he mentioned books. So I don't have to have it right.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Elvis]

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Daniel's actions re the lawsuit.

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Daniel expressed his opinion in a video blog, and that is it. Despite you higher education, it seems to me that you are not familiar with what a blog is. A blog is where someone (often daily) expresses thoughts/opinions on current issues. You do not need an education to express your opinion in a blog, and people who follow Negreanu's blog are aware of that. We who read blogs do not expect a blogger to start every blog with "I do not have an education on this, but...".


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He knows or should know that his doing so will tend to turn at least some of the public opinion against the plaintiffs.

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Not nearly as much as your comment about being happy to see Dan Negreanu being eliminated from the WSOP.


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I said he is stupid or a sockpuppet. I really don't see how there is a legitimate 3rd option.

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A 3rd option is that he has a valid point that this lawsuit will draw negative attention to online poker (since all seven of you are sponsored by online poker sites), and therefore hurt poker as a whole.

[JoaoPinto]

I’d love to see the attitude of these 7 “Stars” in 5 years time. With 5 new WSOP champions who will want to use the “Image” of Raymer or Hachem. As for Bloch, Duke, Lederer , Gordon and Ferguson with a new breed of more talented and more interesting 20 something players entering the scene every year they will soon find themselves B list poker “celebs” (Lederer and Gordon are already there). No one forced them to sign the agreement with the WPT and no-one forces them to play in the events. They are all already Multi Millionaires but yet want to squeeze more cash for themselves out of poker fans like us.

Also Greg should show a bit more respect to Daniel. He is a genuine poker great who built his reputation over years of play as opposed to luck boxing one tournament.

[West]

Do you work for the WPT too?

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No one forced them to sign the agreement with the WPT and no-one forces them to play in the events.

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"The Complaint alleges that WPTE and the casinos have unlawfully conspired to eliminate competition for the services and intellectual property rights of top, high stakes professional poker players. In particular, the Complaint alleges that the casinos have agreed with WPTE that they will not host any non-WPT televised poker tournaments."

I'm not a lawyer, but I think this is why it's considered an antitrust lawsuit.

In other words, if the option were available for someone to negotiate with the same casinos that host WPT events to produce other televised tournaments, then they would be "fine" with choosing whether or not to play on the WPT and sign the release forms.

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They are all already Multi Millionaires but yet want to squeeze more cash for themselves out of poker fans like us.

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lol

[entertainme]

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As I said above, I am spending my own money, without any expectation of making a profit, let alone getting that money back, to help all of us. The only disappointment in this whole process to date has been those very few poker players who have posted here and on other forums their displeasure with us for our decision to file this lawsuit. I am sad that they don't understand how we are doing this to help them.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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I first became interested in poker by watching the WPT. I do think their broadcasts have been instrumental in the poker boom.

Nevertheless, there's no doubt in my mind that the players have a right to a fairer contract in regards to the WPT owming their image and name. Good luck in negotiating a better deal for all poker players.

[mattnxtc]

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As I said above, I am spending my own money, without any expectation of making a profit, let alone getting that money back, to help all of us. The only disappointment in this whole process to date has been those very few poker players who have posted here and on other forums their displeasure with us for our decision to file this lawsuit. I am sad that they don't understand how we are doing this to help them.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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I first became interested in poker by watching the WPT. I do think their broadcasts have been instrumental in the poker boom.

Nevertheless, there's no doubt in my mind that the players have a right to a fairer contract in regards to the WPT owming their image and name. Good luck in negotiating a better deal for all poker players.

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i would venture that most players wish that actual negotiations were going on instead of being quick so sue. just my thought though

[TomHimself]

sorry if i missed this but what is the timeline for this lawsuit? will it drag on forever or will it try and be speedy?

[True North]

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i would venture that most players wish that actual negotiations were going on instead of being quick so sue. just my thought though

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It's fairly difficult to negotiate with an organization whose only stance is to maintain the status quo and who will not be budged off that position for anything.