The Zoo...

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the thread in question

i have a complaint. i went to this thread and read the first few responses and it was apparent that grannymae and mssunshine were going to flame anyone who disagreed with them. this being the case, i thought it best to point out some of their blatant(and boy do i mean blatant) hypocrisies. during the span of many people pointing out the problem with their statements, granny and mssunshine at some point decided that forum rules dont apply to them and that swearing and trolling anyone who posted an opinion differing from theres was the best way to go about things.

dr_savage points out 8 consecutive flames made by the grannymae/mssunshine coalition which are just so funny in their complete lack of thought and logic that i dont know where to begin. this was pointed out to all moderators present and i even had a pm discussion with a moderator who told me that trolling and flaming from these posters was okay for two reasons:

a) "its the zoo"-which i suppose means that its "wild" and people can do what they please. okay, that kind of makes a wee bit of sense, but the fact that people talk about how OOT is going to be shut down for lack of content and then this is allowed by moderators just blows my mind.
b) "these are well respected long time posters"-well, thats a neat opinion, however, i would be shocked if more than 30% of posters agreed with this. looking at granny's posts, the vast majority are just complete trolls. if anyone thinks that the posts in this thread were the least bit reasonable i would invite them to explain why. but i am shocked beyond all belief that the blatent flames have been allowed. its insane enough that these users are still allowed to post at all, the fact that theyre given a free pass to do whatever they want because theyre friends with a moderator is just silly.

done.

rj

[Alobar]

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a) "its the zoo"-which i suppose means that its "wild" and people can do what they please.

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awesome, im gunna take my level of hate and assholness up in there a notch or two. Glad to know Im allowed to do this.

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b) "these are well respected long time posters"

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lol, thats only half correct. Ill let you figure out which half

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b) "these are well respected long time posters"

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lol, thats only half correct. Ill let you figure out which half

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posters? they do post i suppose...

rj

[jokerthief]

Granniemae is the worst poster on 2+2. All he does is troll. I have never seen a good post with helpfull content from him. I think the deal with him is that he had a ton of post for a long time before alot of quality poster had many posts and people just gave him status because of this quantity.

[Myrtle]

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Granniemae is the worst poster on 2+2. All he does is troll. I have never seen a good post with helpfull content from him. I think the deal with him is that he had a ton of post for a long time before alot of quality poster had many posts and people just gave him status because of this quantity.

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....you are entitled to your opinion, but also be advised that it is clearly subjective on your part and that others may hold a different opinion.

Anyone who judges a poster by number of posts instead of content of same is a simpleton, and has much to learn about life.

[Mike Haven]

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a) "its the zoo"-which i suppose means that its "wild" and people can do what they please.

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You may suppose this.

However, it's not what I said in my pm to you; and I don't think it's a fair interpretation of what I said.

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a) "its the zoo"-which i suppose means that its "wild" and people can do what they please.

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You may suppose this.

However, it's not what I said in my pm to you; and I don't think it's a fair interpretation of what I said.

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"The Internet Gambling Forum is called the Zoo because of ill-mannered and argumentative threads. This particular one is no better and no worse than the threads that earned it its nickname."

that is exactly what you wrote. i am baffled as to how this is different from what you said. me supposing that users could do whatever they want was in response to you allowing granny and mssunshine to do what they want, not based on any statement you made.

rj

[GrannyMae]

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"The Internet Gambling Forum is called the Zoo because of ill-mannered and argumentative threads. This particular one is no better and no worse than the threads that earned it its nickname."


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is this from a PRIVATE message?

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"The Internet Gambling Forum is called the Zoo because of ill-mannered and argumentative threads. This particular one is no better and no worse than the threads that earned it its nickname."


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is this from a PRIVATE message?

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yes, both were from mike haven. who gave me permission to reuse them.

rj

[Mike Haven]

For some strange reason I guessed you might quote all or part of my Private Message to you in public without my permission so I kept a copy of it.

Here it is in full, so that if there are any interested readers they will be able to see your unauthorised quote in context:

"I don't think MS Sunshine and GrannyMae post much if anything outside the Zoo.

The Internet Gambling Forum is called the Zoo because of ill-mannered and argumentative threads. This particular one is no better and no worse than the threads that earned it its nickname.

Both parties have been major contributors to the success of Twoplustwo, long before the IGF became known as the Zoo, and it is far beyond my powers to make massive decisions as to banning such posters unless they became total nuisances and trolls, (which they are not, imo).

Mat Sklansky is the paid Administrator of the Forums, and he oversees the forums and the volunteer moderators. If you think something is unacceptable, or that forum moderators are not acting as they should, you should pm him and put your case to him.

I give you my permission to copy this pm to him if you wish, as I believe that the Boyd thread that has prompted you to write to me is acceptable to date. (I have had to delete some words and phrases, but the various individual parties involving themselves in the thread appear to me to be able to handle their opposite sides of the ongoing arguments, albeit that some of the name-calling might not be the norm if this debate was occurring in real life.)

Cheers.

M."

[censored] has picked up on the sentiments of my last paragraph. I would guess that he might also support my offer to you to change your Title to "Forum Virus". Although you have declined this to date, the offer stands.