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My pops and I were discussing Munich, and he feels it is a propoganda anti-war film that is borderline treasonous to debut in a time of war with islamic terrorists.
My beliefs are generally conservative, but i disagree with him, as freedom of speech is a backbone of our nation. But I do think he has a certain point that such movies act against what I believe is an important war effort. Your INTELLIGENT opinions?... |
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Ask him how long he thinks this war is going to last.
No free speech for 20, 30, even 100 years? If we can't be critical of our politicians, then we are the same as Iraq, China, USSR, etc. Not to hi-jack, but what army, nation etc. are we at war with? It sounds like many people think we are at war with a religion. |
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Ask him how long he thinks this war is going to last. No free speech for 20, 30, even 100 years? If we can't be critical of our politicians, then we are the same as Iraq, China, USSR, etc. Not to hi-jack, but what army, nation etc. are we at war with? It sounds like many people think we are at war with a religion. [/ QUOTE ] we're at war with terrorism, they dont have a nation or flag, but they obviously have a willing army. ...but i like your point about "how long would free speech be curbed. |
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"we're at war with terrorism"
Terrorism is abstract. How is it defined? What if Bush said the democratic party was a terrorist organization? |
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i'll start by defining terrorism as "a group that hijacks passenger airplanes and crashes them into buildings?"
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i'll start by defining terrorism as "a group that hijacks passenger airplanes and crashes them into buildings?" [/ QUOTE ] Do you think we'll ever completely wipe them out? Also, we're at war with numerous abstract sructures and ideas, can we curtail freedoms for the sake of the war on drugs? |
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i'll start by defining terrorism as "a group that hijacks passenger airplanes and crashes them into buildings?" [/ QUOTE ] yeah! lets go get those guys! oh wait, we;re fighting a war in iraq. bummer. none of those guys are there. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] rj |
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we're at war with terrorism [/ QUOTE ] We're in a war against fundamentalist Islam. We're not attacking militia groups in North Dakota, or Chechnyan separatists, or Basque separatists or FARK or the IRA. We're fighting Al Qaeda, Hamas and the PLO because they're the only ones our government cares about. The fact of the matter is, they understand that declaring war on Islam would be politically disastrous, so they mask their attack on Islam in the pretenses of a war on terror. |
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Chechnyan separatists [/ QUOTE ] Russian terrorism is much worse, but we all don't like to bite off more than we can chew, right? The way I see it our definition of what is terror changes only with our own allegiances and not by the actions of the group or individuals involved, so if we can be convinced that their cause is unjust or trivial then they become terrorists. At the same time if they commit such acts against us personally or against our families then it takes a strong mind to see the justness of their cause, regardless only a hypocrit is going to chance his mind for this reason. Mack |
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I'm about as left as they come and would read anti-war messages into anything, but I can't say Munich is a truly anti-war film.
There is simply too much gratifying killing, too many satisfying war action scenes to be anti-war. Yes, the overall theme was anti-vengeance and possibly anti-war, but it's far from propaganda. An anti-war film would have a lefty like me leaving the theater ready to protest. Or leave me in tears. The film did neither. |
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