"I have a big hand and pot odds. I fold"

[adanthar]

Hand 1:

'Dise 30r, 100/200 just after the rebuy. I have 2600 chips because I suck, find aces in MP and make it 600. Both blinds call. I don't have a read on either, but if they're typical 30r players, the letter "D" is tattooed on their heads.

The flop is JJ6. Both blinds check and I check with a PSB left (let's not talk about this street, it's relatively standard.)

The turn is a J, and a very interesting thing happens; SB leads 400 into the 1800 pot and BB calls. I decide my hand probably sucks and overcall, waiting for the river.

The river is a Q. SB checks. BB now bets some random large number of chips. I have 1600 behind and will win 4200 when I am good, but don't feel like bothering and muck anyway.

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Hand 2:

Level 1, Stars 150. I have JJ and raise after a limper or two. The last one calls.

The flop is something like 952, 2 spades. Check, I bet 2/3 pot, he calls.

The turn is a 2. He checks, I decide that since I should probably fold to a CR I can only bet 3/5 pot or so, he thinks forever and calls. At this point I have 1K, he has less and the pot is a little over a thousand.

The river is some low spade. He takes 6-7 seconds and bets 300. After a while, I talk myself into calling for 4.x:1 and lose.

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Most of you know when to bet relatively well. Most of you are also pot odds oriented to the point where every hand you lose a lot of chips on is a #2 and not a #1. Pot odds are a great thing, except when they aren't.