NL Bots on Full Tilt

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It's OPs own [censored] database, he can manipulate it however he wants. Other than posting a brag (BBV holla) I can think of no other reason to [censored] with your own stats save for proving some weird point like this. All it takes is omission of a few key hands

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nlnut agreed that the stats OP posted were accurate

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Aye, he did that just after the 2/3 mark, maybe 5 posts after where I stopped to reply. Pretty damning.

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If, as the OP asserts, someone is betting $5 into a $100 pot on the river, are you really going to instafold because "that's what the book says"? You're not at least going to think about it?

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(InstaEdit: Just scrolling up on this page I see a request of asking for other players databases to corroborate these stats, so maybe the thread came along after the first 2/3)



And sadly enough, hear I am.

I'm guessing 1100 posts and not one single person has said a [censored] thing about OP providing a hand history, or more importantly a hand # so it can be independently verified, to back up this claim or any other claim about specific hands; about things that are not shown by PT stats. It was all just blindly accepted.

And on the topic of PT stats... I was unaware many of the participants in this thread even played serious poker, and i'm guessing i'm right considering the ignorance of PT stats. It's OPs own [censored] database, he can manipulate it however he wants. Other than posting a brag (BBV holla) I can think of no other reason to [censored] with your own stats save for proving some weird point like this. All it takes is omission of a few key hands and suddenly the numbers start to equalize down to the 3rd and 4th decimal point, the group of douchebags sitting in a room (lolz no offense) playing the same inferior style starts to like TEH LOL BOTAMENTS1!

Now, unless it directly affects some of my BBV friends I could care less about NLHE full ring drying up.

Unlike Nation I truly have no vested interest in one way or the other, I'm just ACTUALLY RLY SRSRLY standing for the truth and justice.

Nothing the OP said has even been questioned and REPEATEDLY anecdotes have been used to supplement fact (1/10 blocking bet on the river, etc.) when from the beginning OP should've been held to the same stringent standards BOTFARM CREW4LYFE has been held to.

Reread the OP. It's a textbook case of working backwards, where he saw simliar stats, drew a conclusion of BOTZ, and worked to find information to substantiate this claim.

BOTZ, sweatshops, douchebags, whatev, the lack of even having a notion that one side of a debate's [censored] doesn't also stink is no kind of truth or justice i've ever participated in, nor want to.

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You done?

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If, as the OP asserts, someone is betting $5 into a $100 pot on the river, are you really going to instafold because "that's what the book says"? You're not at least going to think about it?

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(InstaEdit: Just scrolling up on this page I see a request of asking for other players databases to corroborate these stats, so maybe the thread came along after the first 2/3)



And sadly enough, hear I am.

I'm guessing 1100 posts and not one single person has said a [censored] thing about OP providing a hand history, or more importantly a hand # so it can be independently verified, to back up this claim or any other claim about specific hands; about things that are not shown by PT stats. It was all just blindly accepted.

And on the topic of PT stats... I was unaware many of the participants in this thread even played serious poker, and i'm guessing i'm right considering the ignorance of PT stats. It's OPs own [censored] database, he can manipulate it however he wants. Other than posting a brag (BBV holla) I can think of no other reason to [censored] with your own stats save for proving some weird point like this. All it takes is omission of a few key hands and suddenly the numbers start to equalize down to the 3rd and 4th decimal point, the group of douchebags sitting in a room (lolz no offense) playing the same inferior style starts to like TEH LOL BOTAMENTS1!

Now, unless it directly affects some of my BBV friends I could care less about NLHE full ring drying up.

Unlike Nation I truly have no vested interest in one way or the other, I'm just ACTUALLY RLY SRSRLY standing for the truth and justice.

Nothing the OP said has even been questioned and REPEATEDLY anecdotes have been used to supplement fact (1/10 blocking bet on the river, etc.) when from the beginning OP should've been held to the same stringent standards BOTFARM CREW4LYFE has been held to.

Reread the OP. It's a textbook case of working backwards, where he saw simliar stats, drew a conclusion of BOTZ, and worked to find information to substantiate this claim.

BOTZ, sweatshops, douchebags, whatev, the lack of even having a notion that one side of a debate's [censored] doesn't also stink is no kind of truth or justice i've ever participated in, nor want to.

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You done?

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You mean done offering up the notion of both sides receiving the same fair treatment? Yeah, pretty much. If you don't get it immediately, your little brain probably never will.

[1p0kerboy]

Should we give FT a deadline to respond before we begin our smear campaign? Once the word starts getting arond that there is evidence FT accepts bots that place will become a ghosttown.

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Should we give FT a deadline to respond before we begin our smear campaign?

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Oh, "we" have already developped a campaign? That would be new to me :P

I think a big poll of the steps undertaken would be needed and then a general boycotting in case you really want this to have an effect... Just "Oh if FTP doesn't answer by tomorrow, we'll do this and that" doesn't work...

If the majority here really wants to push FTP to a decision they NEED to make soon, this has to be better organised imo!

[TheJared]

Can't everyone just open up their own pokertracker, isolate 100k sets of hands and see if their numbers add up in an identical fashion to those of the bots. I am too blazed to do this myself/lazy.

It seems the most damning piece of evidence is the stats, so can someone just quickly prove that a real human has variant in their stats over 100k sets of hands and bots don't and we can stop having this discussion and start the smear FTP/hate on bots campaign already?

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the thing is... if they say they have developped "this system", they claim they are not playing really "normal" poker, but they are playing an ultra nitty, slowly winning poker...

and usually people in this forum like to improve their game [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] So this task does not really help imo

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Can't everyone just open up their own pokertracker, isolate 100k sets of hands and see if their numbers add up in an identical fashion to those of the bots. I am too blazed to do this myself/lazy.

It seems the most damning piece of evidence is the stats, so can someone just quickly prove that a real human has variant in their stats over 100k sets of hands and bots don't and we can stop having this discussion and start the smear FTP/hate on bots campaign already?

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This fellow said what needed to be said 1000 posts earlier.

[dDiabolical]

If full tilt suspend this player, it means that

A) their investigations team is completely useless, who knows how many bots they've let carry on
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B) they have no evidence that this is a bot, but because of the witch hunt, they'll ban an innocent player to appease the masses

There can be no good conclusion.

[rgold79]

Basically what I learned from catching up overnight is that:

1) nlnut has a set system and he and his friends have clung to that system with a rigid discipline over several hundred thousand hands. This system is so rigid that it apparently results in alarmingly similar statistics among different players over large samples of hands.

2) Despite discussing hands with one another, nlnut and his friends express no desire to divert from their set system at any time or adjust in such a way that they could adjust their winrate. They are comfortable with their current earn.

3) They are happy at 1/2 and express no desire to ever move up to higher stakes.

So... in other words you have this obscene ability to maintain strict discipline over a quarter million hands without ever allowing your emotions or fatigue or any other environmental factor to affect your play, and you have no desire to make more money than you currently do. Whether you are bots (I think there is botting going on here, the river bet numbers seal the deal for me) or not, you people are not humans.

Am I missing something?