ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs - Page 24

playerzero · #**231** 02-24-2006, 03:43 PM

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Also, having multiple accounts playing when you are near or in the money is a huge advantage.

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Yep. Taking a coinflip with one account isn't nearly as scary a proposition when you have even one more account in contention.

Jshuttlesworth · #**232** 02-24-2006, 03:43 PM

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Any way you look at it; having 2 seats at the same STT is a monsterous advantage and most certainly +EV.

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I dont't intuitively agree but I'll take your word for it.

Paluka · #**233** 02-24-2006, 03:44 PM

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Ahh true. Thanks. Still not sure if this makes up for double-entry fee and the fact that you can only get an ROI of 3 on your second account. Not really a relevant/imprtant question, though.

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I'm no SNG expert, but I'm pretty sure it is an enormously huge advantage.

ASanyasi · #**234** 02-24-2006, 03:44 PM

I am not saying you are, but what I'm saying is that just because he didn't cheat with you, doesn't mean you go around advertising that he isn't a cheat,

I trust PartyPoker more than anyone here!

Jshuttlesworth · #**235** 02-24-2006, 03:45 PM

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Also, having multiple accounts playing when you are near or in the money is a huge advantage.

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Yep. Taking a coinflip with one account isn't nearly as scary a proposition when you have even one more account in contention.

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If I have any clue what is going on here, then this isn't the reason that multiple accounts are pos EV. Right?

LearnedfromTV · #**236** 02-24-2006, 03:45 PM

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The issue really isn't dumping. I'm confident that most people who entered tournies on multiple accounts don't do it with the hope or intention of meeting up and dumping chips. They just want multiple shots at the title.

It's the act of entering more than 1 account in a tourney that's cheating, and any chip dumping or altered-play that ensues is just incidental.

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I think this is important. The people who are arguing that entering twice is by itself unethical are distracting from the issue. The ethics part of this debate is that one person can not fairly have two seats at one table. The result of this possibility is that Party has to make a rule banning multiaccounting. The debate shouldn't be about EV, adding money to the prize pool, or the fact that *most* of the time, multiaccounting is the equivalent is adding another independent player. If a multiaccounter never was at the same table with himself, there would not be a fundamentally unfair situation. Arguing that there is or focusing on this point at all allows the people defending the practice in general to focus their argument away from the real issue. This is made worse by the fact that a lot of the people making the anti-multiaccounting side of this argument have a misguided understanding of EV (taking a coin flip is *not* any better because you have extra accounts!).

The real issue is that multiaccounting has to be against the rules because there is a possibility of a player having a seat at the same table with himself. Period. It does not matter how slim the possibility is because this *ever* happening fundamentally compomises the game. There is no way to allow a person to enter multiple accounts without retaining this possiblity, so there is no alternative but to ban multi-accounting. It doesn't matter how rare the chipdumping/colluding opportunities are.

NHFunkii · #**237** 02-24-2006, 03:45 PM

remember, half the issue with mtt multiaccounting is the increased EV from playing it more than once, the other half is the minute possibility that you end up at the same table. In STT, you ALWAYS end up at the same table. If you can't MASSIVELY increase your EV, than you really suck at colluding. It's not just chip dumping.

That said, I HIGHLY doubt ZJ has entered a STT with more than one account, as colluding can be pretty easy to spot, and it's not worth the risk.

Sponger. · #**238** 02-24-2006, 03:46 PM

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You've got to be kidding me Ed. Just becuase you're friends with a cheat doesn't mean you should try and justify the cheat's actions. If fact you should consider distancing yourself from ZJ in order to protect your reputation in your chosen profession. Also, having multiple accounts playing when you are near or in the money is a huge advantage.

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Chrisman886 · #**239** 02-24-2006, 03:46 PM

playerzero · #**240** 02-24-2006, 03:46 PM

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Also, having multiple accounts playing when you are near or in the money is a huge advantage.

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Yep. Taking a coinflip with one account isn't nearly as scary a proposition when you have even one more account in contention.

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If I have any clue what is going on here, then this isn't the reason that multiple accounts are pos EV. Right?

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I'm not sure, but I was responding to Boris in regards to MTT's. My post has nothing to with whether or not it is +EV in SNG's. That's a whole other discussion.