NL25 Video From MSNLer

[creamfillin]

He didn't but he inspired inspired me to loosen up a bit. He plays alot looser than your standard 2p2er at unl, and I guess I took it too far. (Coupled with the fact that I was half tilting from stupid sngs)

[Mr_Pathetic]

After watching again it seems he is super loose when he is putting the money in (raising 35o preflop) and super tight when others are putting the money in (callin down with the AQ hand). I guess calling down isn't tight but to me it is.

[prodonkey]

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Iship2u,

Definitely enjoyed this video, and would watch others in the future.

I turned my HUD off a few days ago and am going to play without it for a few thousand hands. Right now I am running super hot so there's no way to know whether turning off the HUD is making any difference, but I know I have burned a lot of money in the past making "reads" based on limited experience and misuse of stats.

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Frankly I do this a ton.. even the donkeys get big hands sometimes.

[the machine]

im getting no sound and a still picture of A3 vs 68


this is from the xvid formatted upload

[ama0330]

I fundamentally disagree with almost everything in this video, and I don't mean because the plays are "non-standard" or "maniacal", I mean that this video is full of badly chosen, over-expensive and inefficient spots if our objective is to cultivate an image and manipulate table dynamics.

I don't mean to be offensive but seeing everyone bow down before this video just because the guy is playing 60/40 is un-nerving.

[JadeRedstone]

Ama , the reason we are all gobsmacked about this video is not any particular hand or actual play. It is the idea of sitting in a table with a plan. Is the discussion of isolating weak players and attacking them.

it is much more interesting to see someone able to make a thin value bet with TPNK than someone making value bets with the nuts.
I have to say that after seeing this video I HAVEN'T changed my game one bit. To me this is just the pre-discussion , I don't think we touched any real point on how to play OP way as of yet.

And btw, I didn't get from this video that you have to raise or bet light. What I got from this video is OP wanting to make this table use to play bigger pots. So when we do hit we get paid by stacks.

I've seen this happen in tables with maniacs in them and I love it. The table dynamic has changed and people start calling big bets with ,marginal hand. I just do not know how to create it my self, yet!

[Sweir]

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I fundamentally disagree with almost everything in this video, and I don't mean because the plays are "non-standard" or "maniacal", I mean that this video is full of badly chosen, over-expensive and inefficient spots if our objective is to cultivate an image and manipulate table dynamics.

I don't mean to be offensive but seeing everyone bow down before this video just because the guy is playing 60/40 is un-nerving.

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QFT

Also when you have created a crazy image I don't really think you are using it correctly. The table will adapt to you being very loose/aggro so you need to change your play and start tightening up so that they are playing incorrectly against you, as opposed to correctly.

[IshiP2U]

The objective of the video was not to encourage people to play maniac and it wasn't to encourage people to value bet light (the highlight of the video may just as well have been me folding a Q high flush to a nit on a three flush board). The idea of the video was to sit down ready to think about whether the table you are at is profitable, and if it isn't profitable how to make it a profitable table. In this specific situation, it was isolating the weak player to my right as much as possible. I don't think anybody is bowing down before this video, I think they are just refreshed to see somebody actively processing information (that doesn't come from a HUD) when they are at the table, be the decisions they make with that information right or wrong. That's the message of the video.

[IshiP2U]

Sweir,

You make a few vague statements I'm not sure about. "The table will adapt"....by table do you mean everybody or certain players at the table? In either case, though many times it usually does, the adapting that you were talking about never really happened with this table, so I don't know what you mean about using my image "correctly". I don't recall getting involved in any big pots out of position with marginal holdings or anything like that. I really have no idea what you're talking about here with regards to this specific video. It seems like you're just kind of quoting the oft said "play loose and crazy...then tighten up and get paid off" type of phrase without regard to applying it here or not. I'm certainly happy to hear if I'm wrong though.

Adam

[Sweir]

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Sweir,

You make a few vague statements I'm not sure about. "The table will adapt"....by table do you mean everybody or certain players at the table? In either case, though many times it usually does, the adapting that you were talking about never really happened with this table, so I don't know what you mean about using my image "correctly". I don't recall getting involved in any big pots out of position with marginal holdings or anything like that. I really have no idea what you're talking about here with regards to this specific video. It seems like you're just kind of quoting the oft said "play loose and crazy...then tighten up and get paid off" type of phrase without regard to applying it here or not. I'm certainly happy to hear if I'm wrong though.

Adam

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Yeah your probably correct, im kinda just rambling a bit here. I was just thinking that maybe you could have talked about this a bit more in the video. Like, If they start adapting to my play then I will do x. I will know when they start adapting when they do y, or z...etc. I think that without something along those lines people will start to think that you can play like this all the time. Maybe you can but imo it is pretty important to know when to change gears and how to when playing like this.