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[NL Newbie]

But is our hand actually under repped by the river? We just bet, wtf does villan put us on? And if its KK or missed draws - WHYYYY RAISE US?

That shows strength, or he's a nut case (Which is like 0.0001% of the time IMO - Were beat).

[ronitonline]

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your hand looks like KK. call river.

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Do you think a nit is betting the flop here with 22 very often?

[KingGordy]

Quit trying to talk yourself into making big river calls vs. nits.

[aislephive]

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<font color="white">He had 22. </font>

I think the call is very marginal, probably best to fold even though I can't put him on anything.

[ronitonline]

I think he might do this with other hands too though.

[kayfish77]

idk why we gave him 2 basically free cards when we have one pair.

[ronitonline]

I think Heros line was to make vilian feel comfortable and put money in without AQ. However it didnt end up working but I think it could.

[SneakrFreakr]

Well your hand looks like KK QQ. If you'd c/c these hands on the flop than he might be checking the turn to get some more value from you on the river, knowing that you'd fold these hands to another bet. Basically what kind of hands are you not cbetting here? Or was it just a random play against a not-paying-attention donk? Not many people will bluff-raise river after checking behind the turn. It just looks so fishy that they people are too afraid to do so. If he was bluffing he'd rather fire again on turn, knowing that your c/c on flop after raising PF is so weak. I'd say his range is here A2, 22 (I might be a bit result oriented but at first I thought - wtf, 22 obviously) and AQ and AT and random bluff very rarely. He'd just call river with weaker aces imo. You're getting 3-1 here so I think it might be neutral in terms of EV. Would lean towards folding though (yeah I know results oriented, but again - people bluff-raise river very rarely and only hand we beat that he valueraises here is AQ IMO, and maybe AT 4,28% of the time. Meh I don't know if anything I wrote makes sense but it's kinda late here.

Would like to hear a bit more about not cbetting logic here - what hands are you checking this flop with?

[Grolsch]

just a quick question...

forgetting about the river, how do we feel about hero's play on flop/turn?

b/c i do stuff like this from time to time and usually feel like either a genius or a retard, more often a retard.

[aislephive]

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Would like to hear a bit more about not cbetting logic here - what hands are you checking this flop with?

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I'd check the flop with something like KK/QQ, sometimes check weak aces, stuff like T9s sometimes also.

I'd be betting basically air and big hands on this flop and also stuff inbetween, but checking the stuff inbetween more. In this hand I was trying to rep KK/QQ by the flop check, or something else weakish.