Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?

[BCPVP]

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but no way he kills 32 before killing himself.

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People don't kill that many people in spur-of-the-moment confrontations like a bar fight. Mass killings like this are premeditated.

[Zeno]

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For the record:


-I am beginning to reconsider my anti-gun stance.



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Good. Whatever you may finally decide on this, to occasionally reconsider core beliefs or a firmly held lifelong stance is a wise thing to do.

-Zeno

[BPA234]

I don't see how anyone can say that guns are not dangerous. As a matter of fact, IMO, anyone who would say that guns are not dangerous, automatically increases a guns inherent danger.

I think the numbers I listed and the other statistics that can be found on the website I linked in my other post, clearly demonstrate that guns are dangerous.

[Edge34]

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I don't see how anyone can say that guns are not dangerous. As a matter of fact, IMO, anyone who would say that guns are not dangerous, automatically increases a guns inherent danger.

I think the numbers I listed and the other statistics that can be found on the website I linked in my other post, clearly demonstrate that guns are dangerous.

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Of course guns are dangerous. Much in the same way knives or cars are dangerous.

In the hands of responsible people, any potential damage is minimal.

In the hands of someone who wants to do damage, well, they're going to do damage anyway they want or can.

Nobody has ever said guns are not dangerous, and I have no idea where you got that idea.

[Kaj]

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I don't see how anyone can say that guns are not dangerous. As a matter of fact, IMO, anyone who would say that guns are not dangerous, automatically increases a guns inherent danger.

I think the numbers I listed and the other statistics that can be found on the website I linked in my other post, clearly demonstrate that guns are dangerous.

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It seems disingenuous to include suicide (the #1 category in your stats) as part of the "guns are dangerous" argument since the point of suicide is to intentionally harm yourself. If a significant portion of the suicides were instead committed by people jumping off buildings, bridges, and other means, society would in fact be more dangerous for most people.

[[Phill]]

Im off to bed now.

In the morning i look forward to reading up on the links you provided showing how many people have been saved by guns compared to how many have been killed by guns.

[superleeds]

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If guns are so dangerous, why is it like 18 or so times more likely to die from a fall?

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yeah because whenever I've been in a situation where a fall may be possible there is always a gun around.

[[Phill]]

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If guns are so dangerous, why is it like 18 or so times more likely to die from a fall?

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yeah because whenever I've been in a situation where a fall may be possible there is always a gun around.

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Hahahahahaha.

[SammyKid11]

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but no way he kills 32 before killing himself.

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People don't kill that many people in spur-of-the-moment confrontations like a bar fight. Mass killings like this are premeditated.

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Well, most of them are anyway...you could certainly have done what that kid did on a whim, though, if you were well-trained in weapons. Still...mass killings like the one yesterday are impossible without access to guns or weapons even more lethal than guns (bombs, missiles, grenades, etc.).

I'm not saying that means all guns should be illegal (I think, ideally, the world would be a better place without a steady stream of guns, but have no idea about the pragmatics of such a change and am sure it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible)...just that that element of danger guns pose cannot be forgotten about by quoting 900 as a "gun death" number. The OP's (source's) numbers are disingenuous as they leave out other ways in which guns pose a far greater societal danger (as compared to if they were not around) than they do in the accidental sense.

[bkholdem]

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Im off to bed now.

In the morning i look forward to reading up on the links you provided showing how many people have been saved by guns compared to how many have been killed by guns.

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In case you missed it:

Guns save lives and strict laws resticting gun ownership and rights to carry directly result in muders, rapes, aggravated assaults, and robberies:

Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.9
* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:
* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and
* If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.11

http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm