77 in 2/4 NL, how was my play, particularly the turn?

[CrosbyBird]

First, the hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) converter

MP2 ($1068.75)
CO ($246.30)
Button ($194.45)
Hero ($314.50)
BB ($212.75)
UTG ($86.25)
UTG+1 ($119.80)
MP1 ($916.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($36) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $12, CO folds.

Turn: ($60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: ($60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $52</font>, UTG+1 calls $28.

Final Pot: $164

My table image is pretty close to super-rock. I have been here for over an hour and I tend to take down pots with no showdown. Generally, players tending to overlimp, and signify strong draws or PP with standard 3xBB bets. It's working against me a little on my big hands because most bets from me are usually met with a fast fold, but when I miss or hit light, it's comforting to be able to drive off people.

So....

Pre-flop, I'm limping for set value. I plan to bail if I don't hit my 7 unless the flop is full of garbage or something like 568r.

On the flop, I figure a bet might look like either an A or on the draw for the flush. I don't want 4 guys in the pot here because there's enough possibilities with straight and flush out there. I get the one caller I think I want.

On the turn, I figure checking sets up a river bet. I'm not too afraid of AT or TT here... I figure either gets a bigger bet pre-flop. A bet here is going to take the pot down, I'm nearly certain, but I think I can get more, especially if he's on a flush draw.

River, I'm feigning a busted flush draw with a small bet. He min-raises, which looks like the 8 helped him, but I don't think he's sitting 88 because he'd have likely raised preflop rather than called. I want to bet something, but not so much that he won't call. I don't know why I chose exactly $28 as the ultimate raise... I just hit the slider a few times.

Villain had <font color="white">Ac8c, and MHIG.</font>

I think my play is okay here, but I wonder about the turn and how to come up with a better feel for how much to go on the river.

[FMZ]

get more money in the pot on every street.

Start by betting pot on flop. Bet 2/3 pot on turn. Bet 1/2 - 2/3 pot on river.

[Slappz]

This hand is gross, if your gonna lead the flop bet 25-30 atleast, 12 bucks isnt even a bet. You would have got more money in with a check. Id lead turn too, give the flush odds to draw and try to sucker in a lot of worse hands. River id be betting 50, a 12 dollar bet isnt going to do anything. If you want money in the pot then bet amounts that will let the pot build.

Your reasoning seems way off on all streets.

[kitaristi0]

With a $12 bet on the flop any and everyone are getting odds to draw to a flush to beat your set. I make it $25-$30 to go.

Bet again on the turn and river and be happy to get AI.

[CrosbyBird]

I understand what you are saying here, but I'm not sure if you got my reads of the table (I wasn't very clear). Any substantial bet on pretty much every board made everyone fold pretty much every time for the past hour. The few times they didn't fold, I showed down winners, usually monsters.

I can see the idea of not leading the flop, but it seems like a problem to give a so many possible draws that beat me a free card.

I'd also confused about how the $12 bet does nothing. It's so weak that it looks like it is begging for a call. I've been betting all my solid hands big for the past hour. A $50 bet at this point is an insta-fold at this table. The small size of the river bet does exactly what I thought it would... encourage a raise from the villain and then he'd call mt re-raise.

The advice I see here makes some sense in general to me, but this was pretty strongly read-influenced.

[MYNAMEIZGREG]

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First, the hand:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) converter

MP2 ($1068.75)
CO ($246.30)
Button ($194.45)
Hero ($314.50)
BB ($212.75)
UTG ($86.25)
UTG+1 ($119.80)
MP1 ($916.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($36) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $12, CO folds.

Turn: ($60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: ($60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $52</font>, UTG+1 calls $28.

Final Pot: $164

My table image is pretty close to super-rock. I have been here for over an hour and I tend to take down pots with no showdown. Generally, players tending to overlimp, and signify strong draws or PP with standard 3xBB bets. It's working against me a little on my big hands because most bets from me are usually met with a fast fold, but when I miss or hit light, it's comforting to be able to drive off people.

So....

Pre-flop, I'm limping for set value. I plan to bail if I don't hit my 7 unless the flop is full of garbage or something like 568r.

On the flop, I figure a bet might look like either an A or on the draw for the flush. I don't want 4 guys in the pot here because there's enough possibilities with straight and flush out there. I get the one caller I think I want.

On the turn, I figure checking sets up a river bet. I'm not too afraid of AT or TT here... I figure either gets a bigger bet pre-flop. A bet here is going to take the pot down, I'm nearly certain, but I think I can get more, especially if he's on a flush draw.

River, I'm feigning a busted flush draw with a small bet. He min-raises, which looks like the 8 helped him, but I don't think he's sitting 88 because he'd have likely raised preflop rather than called. I want to bet something, but not so much that he won't call. I don't know why I chose exactly $28 as the ultimate raise... I just hit the slider a few times.

Villain had <font color="white">Ac8c, and MHIG.</font>

I think my play is okay here, but I wonder about the turn and how to come up with a better feel for how much to go on the river.

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Are you repopping 88 prf from UTG+1? Me neither.

[Taikunin]

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I understand what you are saying here, but I'm not sure if you got my reads of the table (I wasn't very clear). Any substantial bet on pretty much every board made everyone fold pretty much every time for the past hour. The few times they didn't fold, I showed down winners, usually monsters.

I can see the idea of not leading the flop, but it seems like a problem to give a so many possible draws that beat me a free card.

I'd also confused about how the $12 bet does nothing. It's so weak that it looks like it is begging for a call. I've been betting all my solid hands big for the past hour. A $50 bet at this point is an insta-fold at this table. The small size of the river bet does exactly what I thought it would... encourage a raise from the villain and then he'd call mt re-raise.

The advice I see here makes some sense in general to me, but this was pretty strongly read-influenced.

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Start betting more if everyone folds to all of your bets. That being said your reasoning for betting $12 on the flop is still pretty bad. Yes the $12 bet is begging for a call...which it will get from flush draws and other things that can outdraw you. 3/4 pot flop. 3/4 pot turn.

[KRANTZ]

If you keep betting your monsters like a p*ssy people will call you with gutshots because they're getting tremendous implied odds to take ALL your money. Bet more on every street. The turn check is fine to induce a bet.

On the river, after he raises, I'd push since he's so short stacked to begin with.

[CrosbyBird]

I see what you guys are saying. I have to press my advantages harder or I'll be whining about suckouts all the time.

I'll keep at it.

[Foucault]

You think AK is insta-folding if you pot the flop?