Betting line vs no betting line at casinos, why?

[zoneblitz]

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the AIRSPACE above it is also binding

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That's also true at San Pablo in the Bay Area. I was a little shocked when someone was just holding chips over the line to bet and was forced to raise in a limit game. Also, they wouldn't allow a person to hold the chips over and say "raise" if there weren't enough in his/her hand. Seemed sort of absurd. Meanwhile, at Oaks, you can pull back a raise if you did it accidentally, and the line there is meaningless.

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Right...where I play at Choctaw, the betting line is like the endzone. All you have to do is break the plane with the ball (chips), and its in (the pot).

[Rottersod]

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Still, not pushing bets or discards were the dealer can easily reach them is one of the best way (censored] can be abusive without calling much attention to themselves.

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I admit that I am guilty of doing this when the dealer has made me angry by not following the rules or some such thing. I'll flip my bet out just beyond their reach for a few rounds. They usually figure out why I am doing this and start acting right again. It's my passive/aggressive protest.

[bernie]

Betting lines suck.

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[Quadstriker]

Betting lines: More trouble caused than fixed.

[pig4bill]

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The betting line is really more of an ergonomic aid for the dealers anyway.

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That is often the case. I got a little surprise one day at Green Valley Ranch in LV when I found the betting line is not only binding, but the AIRSPACE above it is also binding. Pick up a stack and move it across the line, in the air, and you're committed.

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I saw that happen at Bay 101. A guy had gone all-in and an angle shooter opponent held his stack in the air past the line, but not on the felt, Matusow-style trying to get a reaction. First guy said "that's a call", angle shooter said "it was not. Over the line but not on the table." Floor said "Line doesn't play here sir, but you moved your chips forward. That's a call."

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The betting line is really more of an ergonomic aid for the dealers anyway.

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That is often the case. I got a little surprise one day at Green Valley Ranch in LV when I found the betting line is not only binding, but the AIRSPACE above it is also binding. Pick up a stack and move it across the line, in the air, and you're committed.

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I saw that happen at Bay 101. A guy had gone all-in and an angle shooter opponent held his stack in the air past the line, but not on the felt, Matusow-style trying to get a reaction. First guy said "that's a call", angle shooter said "it was not. Over the line but not on the table." Floor said "Line doesn't play here sir, but you moved your chips forward. That's a call."

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This should be a call everywhere betting line or not. If the rules aren't written to make this clear, then IMO they need to be.

Although forward motion for betting or raising doesn't completely define the bet or raise in NL, forward motion when facing a clear bet must be held to the amount of the call.

All this said, I'm not sure one would get consistency of rulings or opinions here. I believe the subject has been partially covered in past threads but probably could/should be re-visited. Too tired to find a link now though or go into my logic in detail.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Still, not pushing bets or discards were the dealer can easily reach them is one of the best way (censored] can be abusive without calling much attention to themselves.

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I admit that I am guilty of doing this when the dealer has made me angry by not following the rules or some such thing. I'll flip my bet out just beyond their reach for a few rounds. They usually figure out why I am doing this and start acting right again. It's my passive/aggressive protest.

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I doubt they connect what they did wrong to your subsequent subtle actions or that this is the reason they are now "acting right again". But it's possible I suppose.

That said, I agree deliberately flipping your bets out of easy reach is "passive/aggressive" and perhaps that's the better term for what is still abusive, in a sneaky sort of way. If the dealer did something significantly wrong then let them, a floor, or a supervisor know, hopefully with as much diplomacy and tact as possible.

Criticism is OK, but you don't physically (or mentally) abuse people ever in response to a mistake.

~ Rick

[govman6767]

It's more about personal preference.

I prefer the betting line when taking favorites that I know will win big so I can lay 200 to win 200.

I prefer the money line when I know an underdog has a good chance to win the game outright so I'm getting a better return on my 200 bucks.

Betting lines IMO are much more popular than money lines with the general public but I think money lines are better suited for the skilled bettor.

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[Rick Nebiolo]

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It's more about personal preference.

I prefer the betting line when taking favorites that I know will win big so I can lay 200 to win 200.

I prefer the money line when I know an underdog has a good chance to win the game outright so I'm getting a better return on my 200 bucks.

Betting lines IMO are much more popular than money lines with the general public but I think money lines are better suited for the skilled bettor.

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The only thing I've learned about sports betting is that on the rare occasion I do get a chance to watch a game with a friend or friends I simply take 5 or 10% of their action rather than micro-betting against them when they have big money the other way like I stupidly did ten years ago at a Super Bowl Party.

~ Rick

[magoo]

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Why do some of the poker rooms have the betting line and some not?



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Where players are playing against the house you will find consistency in the presence of betting lines. Poker? Figure it yourself...whether the joints give a hoot. All they want is the rake / time or profit from a tournament.