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Yes, cheap bastards 60 61.86%
No, you are the cheap bastard 37 38.14%
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Old 10-15-2006, 04:58 PM
StregaChess StregaChess is offline
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so any other options other than Be4?

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I'm not endorsing these moves but obviously Bg6 and Qc8 are possibilities, though I expect the vote to be pretty lopsided.

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From a pure long term view, I'm not sure the Bishop at g6. I would be afraid that at the right (or wrong) time f4 would be played and without a pawn at e6 to stop its advancement.. oh well.. it could look silly.
Of course that's the abstract view, so I think Be4 is following the plan of why "this move" was played over Bc5.

Of course Qc8 has some merit, however it does not support the d pawn.
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Old 10-15-2006, 04:59 PM
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Not necessarily. Look at his Queenside bishop. That's more of a threat. He could also bring it out, and not want to close its attack options.

Be4 is good, but it may weaken the future defense of the king and effectively put Black into a defensive game. Without being facetious, Nb4 looks rather lonely right now.
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Old 10-15-2006, 10:00 PM
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Be4 is good, but it may weaken the future defense of the king and effectively put Black into a defensive game. Without being facetious, Nb4 looks rather lonely right now.

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I'm not a fan of Nb4, but Be4 does not have to be played defensive.

10. Nd4 Be4
Now white has two main options 0-0, f3.
White will not play Bxe4 its not even a real option right?

After
10. Nd4 Be4
11. 0-0 Bc5 and we will transpose back to the "winner of the poll move?"

11. f3 Qb6 is an attempt at mixing things up and avoids your concern of being stuck in defense.
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:59 PM
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Looks good.
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Old 10-16-2006, 02:17 PM
NajdorfDefense NajdorfDefense is offline
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Default Re: Curtains vs PoG

Be4 and the above analysis looks good. Greg will not exchange, will likely castle, and then we drop Bc5.
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Old 10-16-2006, 02:52 PM
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Be4 and the above analysis looks good. Greg will not exchange, will likely castle, and then we drop Bc5.

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Or we can goat him into f3 (if he's man enough, *cough* *cough*), I'd really like to see how Qb6 plays out.

I've looked at it a bit, however don't want to share much now as he'll run and hide..... LOL...
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:21 PM
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We've gone this far in this line, let's just finish it.

Be4

followed by ... Bc5 and then ... O-O
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:56 PM
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What's white's likely response to Qc8? Nc3?
10. ... Qc8
11. Nc3 Bc5
12. Be3
Doesn't seem that bad offhand, and 12. a3 Nc6 seems okay too. Does anyone else have thoughts on how Qc8 ends up?
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Old 10-16-2006, 05:37 PM
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Qc8 seems to clog up the c-file and it also leaves the already stressed epawn with one less defender. a3 and Nc3 for white if we play Qc8 would give white a pretty intense initiative and help him further his development with tempo.

With the line suggested also white will easily be able to Rc1 creating even more problems.
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Old 10-16-2006, 07:27 PM
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What's white's likely response to Qc8? Nc3?
10. ... Qc8
11. Nc3 Bc5
12. Be3
Doesn't seem that bad offhand, and 12. a3 Nc6 seems okay too. Does anyone else have thoughts on how Qc8 ends up?

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I think a better Q-side setup is Qb6 followed by Rc8.
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