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01-30-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: QQ hand
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I've been reading 2+2 for a while and just recently registered. Yes, that was my first post. I am just starting out. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry if I that came off badly. I was just venting frustrations that I've had in this forum where people post one line about how they would have played it and post no reasons why. There's a certain few posters who can get away with doing that because they are very well known and when they post a line without giving reasons, it's usually best to try think about why they think that's the best play. However, that list of posters is very short, and most posters should give reasoning when they post what they would have done in a hand. 
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#13
01-30-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: QQ hand
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I've been reading 2+2 for a while and just recently registered. Yes, that was my first post. I am just starting out. [/ QUOTE ] don't let some of these asses bother you. But I do suggest that you give reasons for the plays you think are correct.
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#14
01-30-2006, 08:57 PM
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Re: QQ hand
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i would rather raise the turn, but as played, i think you should fold to this 3-bet [/ QUOTE ] The reason I waited until the river is that I can easily fold to a 3bet on that street, whereas on the turn I'm much more likely to get 3bet with a worse hand. Why do you think a turn raise is better?
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#15
01-30-2006, 09:02 PM
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Re: QQ hand
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[ QUOTE ] i would rather raise the turn, but as played, i think you should fold to this 3-bet [/ QUOTE ] The reason I waited until the river is that I can easily fold to a 3bet on that street, whereas on the turn I'm much more likely to get 3bet with a worse hand. Why do you think a turn raise is better? [/ QUOTE ] i guess maybe because some scary river cards could hit, but i dont know if it really matters and i like your reasoning here too, i would probably be more inclined to call down a turn 3-bet
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#17
01-30-2006, 09:10 PM
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Re: QQ hand
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[ QUOTE ] I don't like your river raise I would prefer to just call turn, call river. [/ QUOTE ] why? dont we miss some value doing that? i dont think this is a set that often and if he 3-bets, we are pretty clearly beat [/ QUOTE ] Given this guys stats and they way the preflop and the flop played out his hand range is so small {TT, JJ, maybe AA-QQ and ATs}. While there are a lot more combos JJ than TT this guy appears passive enough from his stats that he might not be 3-betting the flop with JJ *all* of the time. Thus it is going to lower the times we are ahead on the turn/river enough that I would rather call. Of course this comes down to assumptions of hand ranges and weighting factors blah blah. That being said I could be wrong, but I think the decision between calling/raising is a close one either way. If you are going to raise though I like raising the river more than the turn for reasons Justin has already pointed out and that villain is going to have 2-5 outs when behind on the turn so we don't need to worry about letting him 'draw cheaply'.
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#18
01-30-2006, 09:12 PM
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Re: QQ hand
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[ QUOTE ] I've been reading 2+2 for a while and just recently registered. Yes, that was my first post. I am just starting out. [/ QUOTE ] don't let some of these asses bother you. But I do suggest that you give reasons for the plays you think are correct. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks, with the quote.
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#19
01-30-2006, 09:22 PM
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Re: QQ hand
what about this doesn't spell set??? hero showed clear aggression preflop and flop...
the clearest tell for me that it's a set here is the check, 3-bet as opposed to just a normal check raise... however there is some outside chances of JJ, which he beats, but more often than not it's a set IMO...
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