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Old 09-26-2006, 07:30 PM
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Default Re: Capitalist Philosophers And Fundamentalist Protestants

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That's because you aren't thinking very clearly.

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Most of us don't always think clearly, but I think on this issue I'm thinking fine.

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Obviously, for everyone to be granted identical "opportunities", everyone would have to be raised identically. Same environment, same friends, same parents, same everything. Opportunity cannot be the same, ever. It is a physical impossibility. So saying that everyone "deserves" a physical impossibility must be a subjective claim, since it clearly cannot be objective (since its obviously wrong).

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This is a fallacious argument. We don't need to decide whether it's possible for everyone to have exactly the same opportunities for happiness/prosperity/quality of life in order to agree that we all "deserve" it. That would be a seperate question altogether.

You are assuming "equal" is the same thing as "identical" which it obviously isn't.

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If you decided to buy a lottery ticket, do you think it's a subjective decision to give everyone who buys one lottery ticket the same chance to win? It wouldn't make any difference to you if say, 70% of everyone else who bought a ticket had twice as high a chance to win, maybe because they live in a different county?
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What does that have to do with anything? Did the rules of the lottery I agreed to when I bought the lottery conatin a stipulation that all chances are equal? Then yes. But that doesn't have anything to do with the supposed objectivity of everyone's "opportunities" being the same.


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In my example, what rules would you assume to be the case? Why? If they are subjective why would you have any basis to assume any sort of rules whatsoever? Or are you going to tell me that you would not have any basis to assume??

Do you think you agreed to any "rules" before being born in this world? Pretend for a second that you had to agree to some rules for say, world economic policy, prior to knowing the conditions under which you would be born. Would you "deserve" any more or less (money and property if you like) than anyone else?

Saying that everything is subjective is the same as saying that nothing matters at all. You can believe that if you like, but I don't think you can believe that without having formed definite opinions regarding the questions I mentioned earlier, i.e., is there life after death, etc.
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