Ruling question on exposed cards and premature Turn

[pipster]

This is in a local live game (not in a casino) and I had to rule on it. I will post my ruling after I get some feedback.

4 players in the hand. SB, BB, MP, CO

After the pre-flop betting the flop is revealed, SB, BB, MP all check. CO bets 2K into a 3K pot.

SB and BB after some ooohhing and ahhhing fold. BB happened to be dealing and asked CO what he has. CO flips up his cards exposing 10/9 of clubs for top pair, and the flush draw.

BB then proceeds to deal the turn and the river "just to see what happened". However, MP had not bet or folded yet.

So now there is CO with his hand exposed and a 2K uncalled bet out there. MP with his hand still visibly in front of him, and had not yet called the bet. The turn and river already dealt, before MP had called or folded the Flop bet.

What is your ruling?

[nujersydevil]

seeing as how i have made this rulling many many times, i can tell you exactly what the right ruling is. first of all when the hand is heads up cards can be exposed because there are no third party actions to worry about. second the turn and river should be shuffled back into the deck so that those cards are still live and in play.
more often then not this happens with just the turn card being dealt to early, in which case you complete the action and then deal the river card which would now be the turn card, and then after which you shuffle back the early turn card so it's still live. the reason for doing it this way is because you keep a much larger percentage of the actual hand that was supposed to be dealt. i hope this all makes sense, and i hope you made the right ruling but if not the best thing to do is just make a ruling and stand by it and walk away. rulings are final!!

[_TKO_]

nujersydevil sounds pretty correct here.

- Both hands are still live
- Turn and river cards cannot play (they must be shuffled into the remainder of the deck, without the burn cards)
- CO's bet stands, and action is on MP
- Rabbit hunting becomes forbidden all the time

[jedi]

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nujersydevil sounds pretty correct here.

- Both hands are still live
- Turn and river cards cannot play (they must be shuffled into the remainder of the deck, without the burn cards)
- CO's bet stands, and action is on MP
- Rabbit hunting becomes forbidden all the time
- Kick dealer and CO in the nuts

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FYP

[youtalkfunny]

While all these cards are being dealt out, has MP made any effort to stop it?

IMO, he has some responsibility to protect his action. If he stood mute while all the cards were run out, you may want to consider killing his hand.

Unless goofy dealer put the two cards out there so quickly that it's not reasonable to expect someone to have the time to react and try to stop him. If that is the case, disregard this post.

[pipster]

The ruling I made was exactly as described by everyone else... What made this extremely difficult is it was at a local game where the tournament director was a complete doof and had no idea what the rules are. I am considered the "knowledgeable" one (appropriately since I am heading to vegas to deal and have gone through a lot of training/experience already), and *I* was the CO.

So I had to call for a ruling on my own hand and then the tournament director just turned back around and asked me what the ruling was. So I gave him the right one and let him dole it out.

And just FYI MP didn't object to any of this happening and was using all the table talk to make his decision. And on a board of 10/2/3 (2 clubs) I exposed 10/9 of clubs and he had J/10 of spades. And he FOLDED. 2K bet into a 3K pot with about 3K behind and he folded...

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While all these cards are being dealt out, has MP made any effort to stop it?

IMO, he has some responsibility to protect his action. If he stood mute while all the cards were run out, you may want to consider killing his hand.

Unless goofy dealer put the two cards out there so quickly that it's not reasonable to expect someone to have the time to react and try to stop him. If that is the case, disregard this post.

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