so let me get this new WPEX thing straight

[PokerAce]

Most people who use a HUD aren't completely dependant on it. Using a HUD will never turn a losing player into a winning player. It's not magic. It assists the user and makes it easier to get reads on players when playing multiple tables.

People complain when sites don't have HUD support because they want to use their HUD there. Complaining and requesting features is how you let the sites know what you want. There's nothing wrong with it.

Most people who win with a HUD would continue to win without one. Their hourly rate may go down, but they would still win.

The main point I have is that using a HUD doesn't make you a winning player. You have to know how to play a winning game AND you have to learn how to use the stats properly. A 1 BB/100 winner isn't going to turn into a 3 BB/100 winner just because he uses a HUD. If he isn't careful, he could actually hurt his winrate by improper use of the stats or playing too many tables.

[PokerAce]

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Also, pokerAce, you did call me an anti-HUD user:

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Despite what the anti-HUD users would like you to think, the fish really don't care.

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No, I worded that carefully so that you wouldn't think I was accusing you of being an anti-HUD person. You should've highlighted "would like you." Looking at it that way makes all the difference. I was using the definition of "like" to mean "want" rather than "like" as in "resembling".

[DING-DONG YO]

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Also, pokerAce, you did call me an anti-HUD user:

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Despite what the anti-HUD users would like you to think, the fish really don't care.

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No, I worded that carefully so that you wouldn't think I was accusing you of being an anti-HUD person. You should've highlighted "would like you." Looking at it that way makes all the difference. I was using the definition of "like" to mean "want" rather than "like" as in "resembling".

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crapola, I have just been grammar PWNED after I just finished ranting about everyone else's reading comprehension. DAMN!!!

[Str8Fish]

Dear WPEX manager... can one of your next updates be a buddy list? I have multiple fish I'd like to keep track of. TYVM!

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Matt

[StacysMom]

Not sure why I bother, it won't do any good.

They number 1 benefit of a hud is allowing a Multitabler to keep track of their opponents. IT doesnt magically make you a good player. Any winning HUD user could still win, if they dropped their tables down to 1 or 2 and watched their opponents.

The only reason there is arguement on these boards is becaue there is a vocal minority who like to blame their poor results on HUDS.

You'll notice that big winners who don;t use HUDS, don't complain about them either.

[Alobar]

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It assists the user and makes it easier to get reads on players when playing multiple tables.


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This is really the only relevant thing. People arguing that HUDdonks suck, or that huddonks dont suck, all that is just wasting breath. The entire issue with HUDs is it allows people who otherwise couldnt play X number of tables profitably, to now play X number of tables profitably. Which when your site has less than 1K people on at a time, it may not be the best thing to have 80% of them 10 tabling (which is what would happen if WPX was run by the zoo)r, when you are trying to attract a userbase of fish (which is what EVERY pokerroom needs to do to thrive). You are right fish prolly dont know or care about HUDS, but they also dont wanna to see 7 tables to choose from and the same 9 people playing the same style of poker at all of them. Thats not gunna attract a decent userbase of sucky players IMO.

Me personally, id prefer no HUDs at all, because I feel Im pretty damn good at poker compared to my competition at the levels I play, and feel my edge is even greater in a HUDless enviroment.

The only thing I really didnt want to see with this update was the ability to datamine, the fact that there arent names in the HH is interesting and I think I like it for my own personal reasons, and think it might be the best decision for the site in its current state. But time will tell on that one, and its not like its some law they passed. Im sure if it turns out sucky they will change it.

Anyway, im done arguing in all these WPX threads, cuz personally I hope they dont grow at all and the site stays exactly as it is till the end of time, because right now its easy to make a killing, and so any argument I make is just gunna be biased towards that anyway.

Go play there, dont go play there, argue about it, dont argue about it. I dont care. WPX threads are dead to me.

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You are right fish prolly dont know or care about HUDS, but they also dont wanna to see 7 tables to choose from and the same 9 people playing the same style of poker at all of them.



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I couldn't disagree more. I think a site would be much better off with 7 tables of good players using HUD's than 2 tables of good players who play there because of the NO rake Feature.

What you miss is that as of now the majority of players at WPEX are decent players and if you added hud's and more Multi-tabling you wouldn't be taking up seats that would otherwise be taken by fish. It simply doesn't work that way.

I know a few players that won't try WPEX until there are more games. As of now, nothing they have done has helped increase the player base and this update certainly won't help.

[DING-DONG YO]

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It assists the user and makes it easier to get reads on players when playing multiple tables.


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This is really the only relevant thing. People arguing that HUDdonks suck, or that huddonks dont suck, all that is just wasting breath. The entire issue with HUDs is it allows people who otherwise couldnt play X number of tables profitably, to now play X number of tables profitably. Which when your site has less than 1K people on at a time, it may not be the best thing to have 80% of them 10 tabling (which is what would happen if WPX was run by the zoo)r, when you are trying to attract a userbase of fish (which is what EVERY pokerroom needs to do to thrive). You are right fish prolly dont know or care about HUDS, but they also dont wanna to see 7 tables to choose from and the same 9 people playing the same style of poker at all of them. Thats not gunna attract a decent userbase of sucky players IMO.

Me personally, id prefer no HUDs at all, because I feel Im pretty damn good at poker compared to my competition at the levels I play, and feel my edge is even greater in a HUDless enviroment.

The only thing I really didnt want to see with this update was the ability to datamine, the fact that there arent names in the HH is interesting and I think I like it for my own personal reasons, and think it might be the best decision for the site in its current state. But time will tell on that one, and its not like its some law they passed. Im sure if it turns out sucky they will change it.

Anyway, im done arguing in all these WPX threads, cuz personally I hope they dont grow at all and dies because they're nothing but a nitty 2+2 rock garden so don't play there.

Go play there, dont go play there, argue about it, dont argue about it. I dont care. WPX threads are dead to me.

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Best post in this entire thread and FYP. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Benjamin]

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I don't like that each hand history is in a different file, I would prefer all hands played on a given table on a given date to be put in the same file as is done on PokerStars. Storing each HH in its own file is inefficient.

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[Q_and_A]

Until the recent update complete HH were available from WPEX by email. The email delivery was prompt "most" of the time. The PT auto HH request allowed stat updates almost as efficient as the Party hard drive HH, aside from the #0/1 seat bug. Anyone interested in HUD was playing WPEX with GT+. Why anyone was not playing because waiting for hard drive HH is a mystery to me. Most all hands would at least make it to PT. HUD was in full force before the update, albeit GT+ instead of the superior PAHUD.

The decision to suspend the HH request via email has effectively frustrated use of popular downloadable HUD. The tech bright players will be able to convert any available HH (player name, number or otherwise) into useable HH for HUD. This only widens the gap between the tech bright and the typical HUD downloader.

The current incompatibility with PT for most players is probably a step backwards.

The only obvious advantage to the new update is the elimination of the blind/mucked showdown frustration.