WTF is with WPEX 2/4 and 3/6 players??

[mjkidd]

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I agree with mjkidd, calling becomes a weapon (maybe not with TPTK), but with lots of hands you might raise/fold in smallish pots, because you've seen this particular opponent three-bet PF with T7s.

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A lot of times I thing the case for calling against a chronic bluffer rather than raising with TP to be more compelling than with middle pair, particularly if you have a hand like KQ on a Q83 board. With a hand like that, you're less likely to be outdrawn that with say, A8. I guess you're giving up value when he as a weaker queen or an underpair he'd call a raise with, but if you're in position and he bets every street, I often like to just call him down, and sometimes throw in a raise on the river.

[JJH3984]

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A lot of times I thing the case for calling against a chronic bluffer rather than raising with TP to be more compelling than with middle pair, particularly if you have a hand like KQ on a Q83 board. With a hand like that, you're less likely to be outdrawn that with say, A8. I guess you're giving up value when he as a weaker queen or an underpair he'd call a raise with, but if you're in position and he bets every street, I often like to just call him down, and sometimes throw in a raise on the river.

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You might consider waiting until the river to raise more against the type of player who will continue to bluff with air. Of course if this same player is willing to raise/reraise with air, you should play aggressively in identical situations.

[bozlax]

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If you had actually read the thread, you'd have realised this.

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Oh, I did. And, fwiw, you don't need to PM me that you responded, I'll keep track of threads that I contribute to.

The post I responded to included this:

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I believe my problems at WPEX have been exacerbated by my recent inablity to use PT and PAHUD there. I generally 5 or 6 table and don't get to pay the attention I'd like to. If I had stats on these jokers I think I'd have known to call down more...

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So, what I actually should have said was, "...you're losing to them because you don't know how bad they are?" But, you say that you do know how bad they are.

My problem with threads like this is it's people saying, "I'm not the greatest player in the world, but..." and "I know my game has flaws, but..."; you're "admitting" that your game has problems, and then saying that the players that are beating you are playing so much worse than you are that they're actually coming around the other side to being better than you are? What kind of logic is that?

If you really believe there are flaws in your game that are bringing you down, then post about those. Don't post, "OMG I'm losing to the worst players on the planet, how could this possibly be happening?!"

[JoeyNoOne]

The key to winning @ WPEX is adaptation. As limit games continue to evolve from the typical "calling too much and going too far with weak hands" type of players to the "raise or fold mentality" players, you have to adapt in order to win. This means that simple Small Stakes mechanical poker is not enough. You have to out-think your opponents.

Some of the tools that have been mentioned in this thread are all part of your arsenal. (ie. calling more and letting your opponent bluff his chips, playing trickier on the later streets, and mixing up how you play your big draws)

I find 2-4 and 3-6 games on WPEX to be extremely profitable with the rakeback. I just play them like I am playing 10-20 or 20-40.

In my opinion, these games are a glimpse into the future of online limit holdem.

[Mr_Donktastic]

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As limit games continue to evolve from the typical "calling too much and going too far with weak hands" type of players to the "raise or fold mentality" players

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Do you really think this is true???

I don't think SSHE will EVER have a shortage of passive fish. Players evolve and move up and new fish take their place. It's a circle of life thing.

And anyway I had 3 uber fish at my Party table last night so just based on that sample you're wrong! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[JoeyNoOne]

Did you play on party 2-3 years ago? If yes, do you notice a difference? I notice a huge difference. The games are still very easy to beat. The only thing that is changing is the tools you use to beat them.

The number of "new fish" is continuing to decline. Not to levels that you have to worry about, but you must be aware of it. If you don't continue to say on your toes with the trends in the poker economy, you could easily end up trying to figure out where your bankroll went.

[PantherZ]

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Did you play on party 2-3 years ago? If yes, do you notice a difference? I notice a huge difference.

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Yes.

Three years ago when there were 30K seats being filled at peak hours, the average table VP$IP's were in the upper 30's. Now, with 90K seats being filled during peak hours, the average table VP$IP's are in the upper 20's.

[alul]

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Don't post, "OMG I'm losing to the worst players on the planet, how could this possibly be happening?!"

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NH

[Guruman]

I play wpex 2/4 almost exclusively.

I've had good results so far, but much of that stems from my specialization in headsup and very shorthanded play.

Try starting a table sometime. Learn to play headsup with that particular blind structure.

I've taken entire stacks from certain indivuduals on repeated occasions. Its true that I ran well, but I also ran over. Pick your spots on that site and you'll do fine.

[Allday Everyday]

I can understand more what you are saying now.

If you're responding to that one particular post, I'm not sure what to say. I don't think it's inconsistent to say I know they're 'bad', yet I just don't know exactly/precisely how I can combat them. Maybe I'm wrong though. But anyway...

On the whole thread: Maybe I didn't express myself correctly. I was just presenting an observation on the SS WPEX players. That's all. Maybe I labelled them incorrectly as 'bad', but I think I did get some support here. These players are very unusual internet players. It wasn't my intention to post a 'whine thread'. Maybe I shouldn't have posted it on this forum/at all.

Also, I don't think I said these players are playing worse than me!