Gus and Danny's set over set

[mike l.]

the more i think about it, between this hand and the AA vs. KK hand barry and sammy have at the end of last season, there are rigged hands to create drama/interest.

especially the AA/KK hand: it's almost like the producers realised after two days nothing particularly exciting had happened (at least exciting in the eyes of people who dont play poker all the time) and they came out and said look guys we want to set up a dramatic hand between two of you who wants to do it and everyone laughed and sammy and barry said "ok sure we'll do it"...

sorry hands like this dont just come up this often in your average 20-30 hours of play or however long it is they play.

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the more i think about it, between this hand and the AA vs. KK hand barry and sammy have at the end of last season, there are rigged hands to create drama/interest.

especially the AA/KK hand: it's almost like the producers realised after two days nothing particularly exciting had happened (at least exciting in the eyes of people who dont play poker all the time) and they came out and said look guys we want to set up a dramatic hand between two of you who wants to do it and everyone laughed and sammy and barry said "ok sure we'll do it"...

sorry hands like this dont just come up this often in your average 20-30 hours of play or however long it is they play.

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I'm waiting for someone to blame Party Poker also.

God, I hate these posts.

[Black Aces 518]

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the more i think about it, between this hand and the AA vs. KK hand barry and sammy have at the end of last season, there are rigged hands to create drama/interest.

especially the AA/KK hand: it's almost like the producers realised after two days nothing particularly exciting had happened (at least exciting in the eyes of people who dont play poker all the time) and they came out and said look guys we want to set up a dramatic hand between two of you who wants to do it and everyone laughed and sammy and barry said "ok sure we'll do it"...

sorry hands like this dont just come up this often in your average 20-30 hours of play or however long it is they play.

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KK will be present 1 time in 30 approx. About 1 in 25 times KK is present, AA will be present. So about every 750 hands, you can expect KK v AA. How many hands do you think they play in 30 hours?

[mike l.]

if they get 30 hours in it's no more than 30 hands per hour on average basically. so maybe 900 hands. but nl with a tv crew can probably be even slower than that.

[ActionFreak]

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Gus may raise, then call a reraise, with a hand like 56s. Gus is not raising and then CALLING A RERAISE with a hand like 85 or 95. Maybe in a tournament, but not in a cash game.

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The reraise was not much more than a min raise. How can you say that he would do this in a tournament where they are not deep but not do it in a cash game when they are extremely deep? I don't see why gus would not call with any two cards that he raised with.

[d240t]

This thread is lame.

Whatever hand Gus raised with, he was going to call that reraise with. The reraise was small, the stacks were deep, autocall by Gus.

[fzfile]

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the more i think about it, between this hand and the AA vs. KK hand barry and sammy have at the end of last season, there are rigged hands to create drama/interest.

especially the AA/KK hand: it's almost like the producers realised after two days nothing particularly exciting had happened (at least exciting in the eyes of people who dont play poker all the time) and they came out and said look guys we want to set up a dramatic hand between two of you who wants to do it and everyone laughed and sammy and barry said "ok sure we'll do it"...

sorry hands like this dont just come up this often in your average 20-30 hours of play or however long it is they play.

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So what's your point ..... just bc there is a certain percent/frequency that specific hands will come up ....say AAvKK once every 750 hands ....bc they've only played ...whatever ....500 hands .... are you saying that the only way this hand could come up is if they rigged the cards???

Thats kinda silly ..... who says that AA v KK cant happen the very first hand played .... or for that matter two consecutive hands in a row. That very thing happened to me in a weekly 6-handed game this weekend. AA v KK two hands in a row. Does that mean we rigged the game?? No. Because its not rigged ...in fact, I got the KK both hands and it cost me my whole stack the 1st hand and about 2/3rds the 2nd. Its just coincidence ....an amazing one at that.

Just because certain cards are "supposed" to fall only once in so many hands doesnt mean that they cant or wont.

.......I dont know .... I mean I am as cynical as anyone when it comes to any kind of reality television ... but I think it would be a severe stretch to say they rig the hands .... especially considering the egos involved.

It certainly was exciting TV though. I personally was suprised DN called the the CR on the river ... even if it was Gus .... but I can understand his thinking. He looked like he was gonna puke right after the "HOLY CRAP" shocked smile wore off. I dont blame him. That was a sick sick hand.

-mike

[Admo]

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Gus may raise, then call a reraise, with a hand like 56s. Gus is not raising and then CALLING A RERAISE with a hand like 85 or 95. Maybe in a tournament, but not in a cash game.

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Because of DN's odd sized reraise, GH is getting over 3 to 1, needing to call $2,900 into a $8,800 pot.

Since the reraiser is representing a big pair, I'm calling with just about any two in that spot provided both stacks are deep. (which they were)

edit: my apologies, couple other guys just said same.

[Scooterdoo]

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Gus may raise, then call a reraise, with a hand like 56s. Gus is not raising and then CALLING A RERAISE with a hand like 85 or 95. Maybe in a tournament, but not in a cash game.

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Because of DN's odd sized reraise, GH is getting over 3 to 1, needing to call $2,900 into a $8,800 pot.

Since the reraiser is representing a big pair, I'm calling with just about any two in that spot provided both stacks are deep. (which they were)

edit: my apologies, couple other guys just said same.

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Of course Gus could have made the small PF raise with any two cards and of course Gus would have called DN's reraise. The issue though is would Gus just call the $65k river bet if he had a full house with a hand like 95 or 65 or would he reraise another $170k with this type of hand. I just don't see it. I'm fairly sure he would just call and cross his fingers that his mediocre full house was good because DN could easily have the hand he did. While DN says that he was representing an overpair, I just don't see that. I have to beleive that Gus put him on a full house, either with 99 or 66. If he really thought he had just an overpair then no reraise would work of course.

I have heard a few of you say that 88 wasn't a possible holding for Gus either, but I disagree. The PF action could definitely mean 88, and the check call on the flop definitely could be 88 (one overcard, straight draw). He then leads out on the turn which most players would not do, but GH could definitely do to take control of the action (and DN certainly could have been weaker then he was representing).

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Gus is capable of raising with 85 or 95, especially suited, trying to make a move or misrepresent his hand. He will not call a friggin reraise with those hands.

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As others have pointed out, the reraise was only $2900. What hand is he not seeing the flop with? He's going to *fold* 95s there, when they're both deeper than a Tolstoy novel? Sure.

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I also love everyone saying they would toss the hand. The only thing most people here would toss in that situation is their cookies. (Myself included)

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I don't get it. You're saying 95 and 85 are not in his range, and 65 is highly unlikely, but you still make the call there. So you're putting Gus solidly on a $230,000 bluff?