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[KRANTZ]

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Although that may be true, river squeezes are incredibly rare. I don't think I've ever seen one. As for JJ/88, I could see Newbie playing them like this simply because Buddy is the villain. I have played a decent amount against Buddy, and he preys on weakness, so some amount of sandbagging is necessary to balance things out.

I just don't see SB running a bluff over the top after a raise from Hero's spot, and pushing AA/KK/QQ would be suicide. The only hand that SB could do this weak lead and then push, while still losing to 55, would be the nut flush hoping for a call from a weaker flush, and that's really poking at a thin line.

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good points - haven't ever played with the villain but you're right about OP.

just something to consider when raising the river - does Villain interpret OP's raise as a steal, since BB is obviously not very strong? Is he capable of a resteal push? I don't know how heavily you could weight that; depends on the flow of the game and how savvy newbie is, but it's worth keeping in mind if you raise and face a 3-bet

[Finite_Risk]

How can you possibly fold this if you make it 800 and SB pushes given SB's stack size?!?!

[BluffTHIS!]

BBud,

On the river as played, I would raise to around 800 as Foxwoods said but whether I would fold is debatable since the only hands you fear are JJ/88 and you have to think he both raised in the blinds with 88 and then also didn't bet that flop which I think he would have with it. So then the only real hand to fear is JJ. But I think he also pushes over on that board with the nut flush and a bluff by AKo as well sometimes. So I *probably* wouldn't fold.

But my question for you is why you checked the flop? I would have bet it to both see if I could get rid of overcards and also to see if one them liked that flop, and because getting a free card with 2 outs to an underfull really isn't a big consideration to me. It's easy enough to fold if checkraised on the flop and be done with it.

[Lucky]

I think raising it up, then folding to push on this river probably is standard.

Its a bit tougher for the buddy however, if sb folds and bb pushes.

[Finite_Risk]

I'll ask it again - how can you fold if SB pushes?

SB has 1900 - and has about 800 left after calling hero's hypothetical raise to 800ish

If he pushes on top of that, it's 800 more into a pot now with 690+275+275+800(hero's raise)+525(SB calls raise)+800(sb pushes rest) = 3365

With those odds, how do you fold this?

[legend42]

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With those odds, how do you fold this?

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You don't. And because of that, I also like a bigger raise than to 800 here. If he has JJ or 88, your stack is going in anyway, but if he did river the nut flush, I think you might be able to get more out of him than 525.

[B Buddy]

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BBud,

But my question for you is why you checked the flop? I would have bet it to both see if I could get rid of overcards and also to see if one them liked that flop, and because getting a free card with 2 outs to an underfull really isn't a big consideration to me. It's easy enough to fold if checkraised on the flop and be done with it.

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Hi BluffThis,
My thinking at the time was: I don't often see the BB calling a raise and a reraise cold so I assumed he was likely to have a big hand preflop. Also, the BB often checks good hands to me so his check does not signal to me that he is weak. I would not be surprised to see the BB play slow in a 4 bet pot with a hand as strong as QQ and he might even do this with KK. Also, I had not been playing too well and was running bad during my session so far, so I expected that a flop bet might not get much respect at the time. With that said, I like your idea and logic for betting this flop a lot of the time.

[neon]

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Because a flush pays off a raise and 88/JJ pushes over the top.

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I don't see how either opponent can have JJ/88/22. Sure, good players sometimes play deceptively, but checking down to the river and then either betting 40% of the pot or calling a 40% pot bet is an impossible way to play a monster. That said, I think you never get reraised all in here anyway.

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I don't see how OP can have those hands either, which is why if villain is as good as everyone thinks he is, buddy should make it 800 and CALL a push

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Bingo.

[samoleus]

Buddy, with YOUR image (I wouldn't recommend this to too many players), I would go ahead and make a healthy raise - may be to 800 or so. I think a good thinking player will look you up with some marginal holdings thinking that this is a good spot to bluff and that you in particular are very good at seizing opportunities.

[EmpireMaker2]

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