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Old 04-21-2006, 04:10 PM
samoleus samoleus is offline
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Default three river call/fold decisions

OK, popping back in and gonna post a couple hands. I would appreciate if no one asked or commented about my winnings, win-rate, or anything of the sort. All three hands are Party 6-max 10-20.

Hand #1:

Opponent in question has 2800 and I cover. My image is the usual. Opponent (I think his name is jman-something or other) is reasonable, but seems a bit frustrated with my repeated raising. Normal preflop raising standards. He opens for 80 in second or third position. I call from button with 10-8 offsuit (spade and club).

Flop is 8d-4d-2d. He bets 150 into a pot of 190. I call.

Turn is 9s. He checks. You guys advocate betting or checking here on the turn? ... I think my hand is best but needs protecting. I bet 400 into a pot of 490. He check-raises all-in for about 2100 more. Call or fold? What hand do you put him on and why?
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Hand #2:

Opponent in question is Jackal. Very very aggressive, but also good. Capable of big bluffs. We both have large stacks of over 6.5K in this hand. I open UTG for 56 with Qh-Th. He reraises to 225 from one of the blinds. I call.

Flop 10-8-3, two spades. He bets 450 into pot of 560. I call. Turn 10 of spades. He bets 1100 into pot of 1460. I call.

River is an offsuit 4. He bets 2800 into a pot of 3660. Keep in mind that this is a very aggressive opponent. What should I do?

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Hand #3:

Opponent in question is Robinson: very very tight player, and not prone to overplay hands too much. He has about 3K. I have been having a great session and have run my stack up to 27K. I mention that because I suspect I am in the players' heads. That may or may not make a difference in the decision.

Opponent raises to 70 UTG. I have seen him only limp with 99 and AJ suited before entering pots. Therefore, I am nearly certain that he has no worse than pocket tens or AQ. Tens and AQ may also be limping hands for him but jacks and up or AK are likely raising hands in my assessment. I call from BB with QQ.

Flop is T-8-8. I check, he bets 150 which is the full pot. Now I know he does not have AK or AQ (I sincerely doubt he would make a continuation bet on a miss). I call (probably a mistake, because his hand range is now probably TT-AA of which I am only beating jacks). Turn is a queen. I check (sometimes I bet here, sometimes I check) and he checks back. I think he would bet aces for sure here. kings I am not sure, jacks probably not, and tens - I am not sure if he would slowplay or not.

River is a king. I lead for about 400 into pot of 450. He raises all-in for about 2400 more. Is this a no-brainer call?

Results sometime later.

Cheers,
samoleus
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:15 PM
KaneKungFu123 KaneKungFu123 is offline
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

Hand 1: easy fold.

Hand 2: edited: Call with a flush on board.

Hand 3: Call
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

In hand 1, I assume that you float monotone flops fairly often. So I don't like betting the turn unless you're happy calling a CR.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

you shouldnt bet the turn in hand 1 if you arent calling a raise, you are setting yourself up to be raised here way too often to not know what to do.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

Misread hand #s 2 and 3.Please use the instant graemlins. Hand 1 looks like a clear fold.

Hand 2 is probably the toughest hand of all. I CALL.

Hand 3 looks like a fold, as NITTY as it may seem.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

Your image is the usual...meaning LAG?

Hand 1 I like the turn bet, can't see calling the AI though.

Hand 2 I would just call down and hope he vastly overplayed an overpair or has air.

Hand 3 I can't see folding ever.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

Guys, before instinctively answering and giving the seemingly obvious advice to fold hand 1 and call or raise hands 2 or 3, think about what the opponents might have. I posted these hands specifically because I thought that they are deeper and more complex than most.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:24 PM
KaneKungFu123 KaneKungFu123 is offline
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

Sam,
You can use these [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to make your posts easier to read and add some color to them.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

I am not saying that the obvious decisions are NOT the correct decisions, but I was hoping to get a little bit more detailed discussion about why those decisions are correct (if they are).
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: three river call/fold decisions

ty kkf - how do I do use them?
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